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    Quote Originally Posted by run View Post
    This is going to sound really bad. But I have a hard time with people who think abortion is ever permissible. I have a hard time understanding them, and seeing them as anyone other than a killer. They might as well say "I think you should kill anyone in your way in line at WalMart. Sort of.

    People 100 years ago said "eh well, everyone's racist." And looking at it now, that's poor morality.

    One explanation I've heard is -- "Well morality is at the heart, and its just a matter of getting to the head." But I dunno...

    If you don't agree, don't worry about it. Just don't post. I just want to understand this all better.
    I dont know I'd post a thread and then expect no response from the nay sayers, I'd ask trolls not to post but then I'd like trolls not to post anyway, they arent funny but contra opinions are fine.

    I dont like the idea of abortion, so as a man I'm very careful and would plan carefully anything likely to result in an accidential or unwanted pregnancy, on the other hand I dont want it legally prohibited, perhaps the limits need to be looked at, given advances in medicine which have allowed children to be born and survive within the limits set by law earlier but I wouldnt want it prohibited.

    Sometimes I've thought that the rolling out of implants or other contraceptives on an opt out rather than opt in basis would be a good idea, I feel the same way about organ donation too, I know the protest is that if you are or have parents or others who easily defer to authority or behave neglectfully then you'll automatically be included in the programme. Well, precively is my response to that.

    I once heard that if the entire adolescent population of the UK was given contraceptive implants and it worked to plan it could guarantee five years of straight decline in criminality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I once heard that if the entire adolescent population of the UK was given contraceptive implants and it worked to plan it could guarantee five years of straight decline in criminality.
    This is not surprising. A noticeable decrease in the crime rate in key urban centers in the U.S. has been linked to the legalization of abortion. Fewer unwanted and uncared-for babies born to grow up to be criminals.

    Unfortunately, the people who work most strenuously to ban/limit abortion often oppose the kind of reproductive and social services that would help people prevent unwanted pregnancy in the first place, or at least be able to care properly for the offspring should one occur.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    This is not surprising. A noticeable decrease in the crime rate in key urban centers in the U.S. has been linked to the legalization of abortion. Fewer unwanted and uncared-for babies born to grow up to be criminals.

    Unfortunately, the people who work most strenuously to ban/limit abortion often oppose the kind of reproductive and social services that would help people prevent unwanted pregnancy in the first place, or at least be able to care properly for the offspring should one occur.
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    I'd be willing to pay taxes to create some sort of opt out, rather than opt in, universal contraceptive service. The savings in prisons, social workers and foster care would make it worthwhile alone.

    To the OP, did you think about creating a group? In the social groups you could create one which would be for only anti-abortionists and you could make it that membership was approved rather than general to underline that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I'd be willing to pay taxes to create some sort of opt out, rather than opt in, universal contraceptive service. The savings in prisons, social workers and foster care would make it worthwhile alone.

    To the OP, did you think about creating a group? In the social groups you could create one which would be for only anti-abortionists and you could make it that membership was approved rather than general to underline that.
    I think a lot of people will agree with you, but getting through the legislation process is a killer. There are or were some similar bills here in the US, but things haven't worked out yet.
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    I think there are certain people having too many children and their burden becomes a burden on everyone else. Whatever prevents that is a plus in my book.
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    I was a clerk in the Child Support Enforcement Office in Virginia Beach for 2 years. What I saw was poor people, that's all. The putative fathers didn't pay child support because they didn't have any money. They could barely make enough to support themselves, much less the children they fathered. People won't stop having sex, and many people regard children as the inevitable outcome of having sex, and take for granted they will have children whether they are married and prepared or not.

    This is a matter of education -- that sex does not equal children IF YOU TAKE PRECAUTIONS. But taking precautions is counseled against through various channels and besides, aside from condoms which nobody likes to use, it's hard to get birth control unless you have a free clinic nearby (and funding has been reduced).

    I don't think it does any good to blame the men for not paying child support. May as well blame the women for not using birth control.

    And I'm not sure the segment of the population who are having the most trouble supporting their children are the ones who would use abortion clinics if they had them. If they were of the mindset that they should not have children because they could not afford them, they would have prevented conception in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by run View Post
    This is going to sound really bad. But I have a hard time with people who think abortion is ever permissible. I have a hard time understanding them, and seeing them as anyone other than a killer. They might as well say "I think you should kill anyone in your way in line at WalMart. Sort of.

    People 100 years ago said "eh well, everyone's racist." And looking at it now, that's poor morality.

    One explanation I've heard is -- "Well morality is at the heart, and its just a matter of getting to the head." But I dunno...

    If you don't agree, don't worry about it. Just don't post. I just want to understand this all better.
    Yes, I am a dirty baby killer. Tremble before me.

    I support abortion for utilitarian reasons, myself. The kind of mother most likely to abort a child is the kind of mother we as a society shouldn't want raising children anyway.
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