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    Quote Originally Posted by run View Post
    This is going to sound really bad. But I have a hard time with people who think abortion is ever permissible. I have a hard time understanding them, and seeing them as anyone other than a killer. They might as well say "I think you should kill anyone in your way in line at WalMart. Sort of.

    People 100 years ago said "eh well, everyone's racist." And looking at it now, that's poor morality.

    One explanation I've heard is -- "Well morality is at the heart, and its just a matter of getting to the head." But I dunno...

    If you don't agree, don't worry about it. Just don't post. I just want to understand this all better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SillySapienne View Post
    You're an N?

    You're an NT?

    You're an INTP?!?!?

    Didn't you take issue with Bluewing in that thread where he advocated killing already birthed babies?

    If one conceives (no pun intended) of a fetus as a human life, then this POV makes total sense. An inconvenience on the mother, however heavy a burden, is less a burden to bear than to, you know, die.

    It's the definition of human life that's at the heart of this debate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Usehername View Post
    Didn't you take issue with Bluewing in that thread where he advocated killing already birthed babies?

    If one conceives (no pun intended) of a fetus as a human life, then this POV makes total sense. An inconvenience on the mother, however heavy a burden, is less a burden to bear than to, you know, die.

    It's the definition of human life that's at the heart of this debate.
    That and the VALUE we place on human life, which i argue is being diminished in the line of thinking that permits abortion.

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    To whom it may concern,

    If you are personally against having an abortion, guess what, don't ever have one.

    If you are against me having an abortion, you may happily go fuck yourself with a speculum.

    Do you know how much thought and pain is involved in having an abortion?

    It is a last resort, with lasting effects, and it is certainly not an easy choice to make.

    But it is precisely that, a choice.

    You don't know me, or any other woman or girl's circumstance, where they are in their lives, how they got pregnant, what would happen if they opted to keep the child or give it away.

    Should one perpetuate a mistake, or nip it in the bud?

    I had an abortion when I was 19 and I don't regret it.

    Leave me and my uterus alone, they're entirely my business and not yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SillySapienne View Post
    To whom it may concern,

    If you are personally against having an abortion, guess what, don't ever have one.

    If you are against me having an abortion, you may happily go fuck yourself with a speculum.

    Do you know how much thought and pain is involved in having an abortion?

    It is a last resort, with lasting effects, and it is certainly not an easy choice to make.

    But it is precisely that, a choice.

    You don't know me, or any other woman or girl's circumstance, where they are in their lives, how they got pregnant, what would happen if they opted to keep the child or give it away.

    Should one perpetuate a mistake, or nip it in the bud?

    I had an abortion when I was 19 and I don't regret it.

    Leave me and my uterus alone, they're entirely my business and not yours.

    -SS
    about your difficult choice to make. And much respect that you made a choice; a lot of people just throw their hands up in the air and say life controlled them when really we have more power than we sometimes believe.

    I don't think anyone judged your choice, I think the OP simply couldn't understand it because of the OP's views on the definition of human life. IMO I then went on to explain how this worldview colours the understanding of the act of abortion.
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    It is precisely because I value human life that I decided to have an abortion, the pregnancy was an ABSOLUTE mistake.

    There is nothing worse than unplanned pregnancies.

    Bringing a child into this world is no light matter.

    One must be ready, willing and wanting.

    No child wants to be born, being unwanted, with parents who are merely children themselves, ill-prepared, leaving a legacy of mistake after mistake after mistake.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Usehername View Post
    If one conceives (no pun intended) of a fetus as a human life, then this POV makes total sense. An inconvenience on the mother, however heavy a burden, is less a burden to bear than to, you know, die.

    It's the definition of human life that's at the heart of this debate.
    I view a fetus as a seed for potential human life.

    What's sadder, someone chopping down an oak tree, a sapling, or someone stepping on an acorn?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SillySapienne View Post
    I view a fetus as a seed for potential human life.

    What's sadder, someone chopping down an oak tree, a sapling, or someone stepping on an acorn?
    Definately the oak tree.
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