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    Default What defines who we are?

    I think that it's all thoughts and actions that we think/commit, voluntary or involuntarily.

    Some have argued with me that even though a person may have certain thoughts, that in the end it is what they decide to do that defines who they are. Only the end result is relevant. I disagree with this.

    Thoughts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cenomite View Post
    I think that it's all thoughts and actions that we think/commit, voluntary or involuntarily.

    Thoughts?
    in addition - what we make people feel
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thursday View Post
    in addition - we make people
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cenomite View Post
    I think that it's all thoughts and actions that we think/commit, voluntary or involuntarily.

    Some have argued with me that even though a person may have certain thoughts, that in the end it is what they decide to do that defines who they are. Only the end result is relevant. I disagree with this.

    Thoughts?
    It's both. Our thoughts and our actions. For example, I may be the person that thinks about acting out cruelly to someone that I don't like, but I am also the person that does not act on those thoughts. I am a better person for not acting on my negative thoughts, and a worse person for not acting on my positive thoughts. What I decide to do defines much of who I am.
    Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Star W View Post
    It's both. Our thoughts and our actions. For example, I may be the person that thinks about acting out cruelly to someone that I don't like, but I am also the person that does not act on those thoughts. I am a better person for not acting on my negative thoughts, and a worse person for not acting on my positive thoughts. What I decide to do defines much of who I am.
    Do you think that you're different from a person who does not wish to act cruelly to someone who they don't like, and still doesn't? In other words, does the desire to act cruelly, whether you act on it or not, play a part in who you are?

    I ask because you seemed to pretty much summarize what I think :P
    The probability that I was procrastinating when I was typing this post:

    P(have big assignment due) = 0.6
    P(posting on TypoC) = 0.2
    P(having big assignment due | posting on TypoC) = 0.7

    P(posting on TypoC | having big assignment due) = .......


    Eh, I'll finish it later.

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    I too think that it's both. To yourself it's the thoughts, whether voluntary or not that defines us, if we are honest with ourselves.

    I think our actions define us to the outside world.
    "It is not length of life, but depth of life." ~ Ralph Waldo Emerson

    "Thought breeds thought." ~ Henry David Thoreau

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cenomite View Post
    Do you think that you're different from a person who does not wish to act cruelly to someone who they don't like, and still doesn't? In other words, does the desire to act cruelly, whether you act on it or not, play a part in who you are?

    I ask because you seemed to pretty much summarize what I think :P
    If I didn't desire to act cruelly in the first place then, yes, I would be an even better person by design...
    But, then, isn't it a far bigger accomplishment for one to go against one's nature in order to do good, than to simply do the good that one feels like doing? If you feel like doing good it's easy, if you don't feel like it, it isn't.
    Just a thought.
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    we do not have a defined self, most of what we do is automatic, behaviorism, and yet when we try to determine who we are we find that we are a spectrum of choices and lost in a sea of possibilities and that goes for any functiontype. if i am honest with myself i realize that i'm never honest and give up trying to define any part of myself,, or i act out of impulse or imitation or belief based on archtypical visions of who I am or in my stunted portrait of who i think i am or from those indelible snapshots imposed on me by others. we are splintered selves and defined only at a moment in time like a photograph. there is no Me as a past or future entity, something continuous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cenomite View Post
    [...] even though a person may have certain thoughts, that in the end it is what they decide to do that defines who they are. Only the end result is relevant.
    Sounds like something a person would say, to assuage their guilty conscience.

    To me, thought is energy.
    That energy will eventually out itself in some shape or form.
    So while someone might fool themselves into thinking they didn't "act" upon a thought, trust me, they will.
    They just won't realize it has manifested itself, in a different form.

    The subconscious is an interesting beast: more powerful than the conscious could ever wish to be.
    For me it is not a case of thought OR action.
    They do not oppose.
    They are one.

    That is what defines me.

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    Your job, who your friends are, how much money you have, and what new model sports car you drive around.
    Is it that by its indefiniteness it shadows forth the heartless voids and immensities of the universe, and thus stabs us from behind with the thought of annihilation, when beholding the white depths of the milky way?

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