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    Quote Originally Posted by Halla74 View Post
    I disagree. I meant it to be more of a reflection of the modern, average American outlook on life. There's alot of variation for sure, but on average, we are a nation of self gratifying, impatient people who have deep belief in the wisdom and fortitude of our forefathers but limited capacity to implement such virtue into our society as a whole.

    Yes, that is a good listing of "classic" American virture of yore, but such thinking is not unique to this continent's history, it is wisdom that has been considered by other cultures as well, by wise people of any nation, right? Those ideals are great, I have no issue with them, I just don't think they are reflective of our modern U.S. society, they are reflective of a small list of good people.
    And I think you need to turn off the cable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    And I think you need to turn off the cable.
    Funny how irrelevant your comment above is, as I haven't watched television with any regularity whatsoever for over 15 years.

    This nation as a whole wouldn't be in such a debaucle if a majority of its citizens upheld the classical virtues you described earlier.

    At this point I don't know what exactly you are getting at, and am fine with agreeing to disagree with you.

    I truly wish that the masses of this nation exhibited a uniform adherence to a strong code of persosal integrity as you described, but the very diversity that makes this nation great also diminishes the commonalities held by all citizens, making your viewpoint implausible from what I can tell. Yes we all have DNA, and are mammals, but once you get into education, moral/spititual preferences, common virtues, etc. the list that all/most are on gets shorter and shorter and shorter, right?

    Not trying to be a wanker, just letting you know where I'm coming from...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halla74 View Post
    I truly wish that the masses of this nation exhibited a uniform adherence to a strong code of persosal integrity as you described, but the very diversity that makes this nation great also diminishes the commonalities held by all citizens, making your viewpoint implausible from what I can tell. Yes we all have DNA, and are mammals, but once you get into education, moral/spititual preferences, common virtues, etc. the list that all/most are on gets shorter and shorter and shorter, right?

    Not trying to be a wanker, just letting you know where I'm coming from...
    I don't see how this argument couldn't be held true for your list, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    I don't see how this argument couldn't be held true for your list, too.
    Well then the argument can hold true for any list can't it?

    There is no "American Frame of Mind" that a majority will agree upon.

    But the concept is of utility to some, and that is fine.

    Please continue to pontificate.

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    American mindset: "What do you mean we the micowave is broke, so where we gonna go eat"

    We want things handed to us preprepared and cooked.

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    I will go ahead and be blunt.

    Is there anything we have to recommend us?

    You know. Besides the missiles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    I will go ahead and be blunt.

    Is there anything we have to recommend us?

    You know. Besides the missiles.
    Aside from the American Dream which many immigrants have brought into fruition, not really.

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    you cant spell America without ME

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    Whatever happened to American Optimism?

    And I thought the American frame of mind was "take care of your own because ain't no one gonna do it for you."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Haphazard View Post
    Whatever happened to American Optimism?

    And I thought the American frame of mind was "take care of your own because ain't no one gonna do it for you."
    American optimism has taken several kicks to the testicles for many decades now. The S&L crisi, the dot com bust, the Enron/Arthur Anderson/Tyco/etc. scandals, the War in Iraq, Halliburton, Blackwater, and now most recently the collapse of the sub-prime market and a severe recession. I'm pretty sure most that have been around for awhile realize how much graft and policy boondoggling occurs at the highest echelons of our society furthering the decimation of the middle class.

    The people of this country might take care of their own at the local level, but nationally the nation is divided. Why is it that if some false cataclysm, like communism in Vietnam, or Saddam Hussein manufacturing WMDs is capable of galvanize the masses to unite against a common enemy, but as a people we are unable to tackle issues at home like health care, education, and the inevitable downfall of the social security system?

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