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    Indeed. This morning when I saw the news my mind did a little WTF backflip. Thank you, Nobel Foundation, for expressing your relief that America has a chill president for once. I'm sure there could have been no better candidate for the prize - you know, people who have actually accomplished things, rather than simply being elected based on promises and drive to accomplish things.

    Don't get me wrong, I love my Obama and I voted for him and I'll vote for him again, but this is more than a little absurd. Its like they just decided to go ahead and give him one since he's going to go down in history anyway for being the first black president and for the energy and vitality of his campaign. Seems like a cop out to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Risen View Post
    Progressivism. Look it up.
    I got this:

    Progressivism is a political and social term that refers to ideologies and movements favoring or advocating changes or reform, usually in a statist or egalitarian direction for economic policies (government management) and liberal direction for social policies (personal choice).
    That is vague and I find it unhelpful as a definition. I also saw Woodrow Wilson and Teddy Roosevelt both listed. Unforunately, none of this tells me what the significant shared traits between them are. In their own time, they hated each other politically.

    Who hasn't favored personal choice in some way or another? And what president hasn't believed in the power of the state that he has chosen to manage and increased its power?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    I got this:



    That is vague and I find it unhelpful as a definition. I also saw Woodrow Wilson and Teddy Roosevelt both listed. Unforunately, none of this tells me what the significant shared traits between them are. In their own time, they hated each other politically.

    Who hasn't favored personal choice in some way or another? And what president hasn't believed in the power of the state that he has chosen to manage and increased it's power?
    Progressive Party (United States, 1912) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Progressivism in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    A nice history lesson.

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    You don't seem to be understanding me. I am familiar with both Teddy Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson's presidencies. They are crucially at odds. The fit into the definition of progressivism broadly, and they are usually distant from each other within in the boundaries of that definiton. And what I mean by vague is that progressivism, as it is defined each time I look it up, appears to describe 20th century politicy. Are you perhaps against the development of politics in the 20th century in their entirety?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    You don't seem to be understanding me. I am familiar with both Teddy Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson's presidencies. They are crucially at odds. The fit into the definition of progressivism broadly, and they are usually distant from each other within in the boundaries of that definiton. And what I mean by vague is that progressivism, as it is defined each time I look it up, appears to describe 20th century politicy. Are you perhaps against the development of politics in the 20th century in their entirety?
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    My first reaction to this news with semi-incoherent sputtering. I'm not entirely surprised though. Al Gore received it too...and I will not even begin to go into his fallacious science.

    Obama was nominated eleven days into office AND we will not find out who nominated him for fifty years!

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    You surprise me, Risen. I never would have guessed you'd consider Hillary Clinton and Mike Gravel authoritative sources of information.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    You surprise me, Risen. I never would have guessed you'd consider Hillary Clinton and Mike Gravel authoritative sources of information.
    Just giving you some perspective on elements of the modern left and how it relates to history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EffEmDoubleyou View Post
    Yep.

    This was a dog treat given to the USA for electing someone who isn't a Bush or Bush-like substance. "Here boy! Who knows how to elect someone Europe likes? Who's a good boy? USA is! Yes you are! Yes you are!"

    Bleh.
    I agree. However, there are also other issues at stake here, like political balance of power and catalyst measures....But I've spoken more about that in the political forum, where such commentary belongs.

    In any case, the institution has indeed lost all credibility, as another member already mentioned.
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    Obama prevented a huge amount of international conflict just by not being Bush (or party), perhaps more than any other one man could.

    I guess.

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