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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    And since this subject always bring out misunderstandings, let me elaborate on my personal stance; I like the Confederate flag, I emotionally associate it with my culture, my familial heritage, and my regional homeland. I also understand why most blacks dislike the flag, and I think they're opinion is equally valid, and for that reason I don't think state flags should include it-I just resent and oppose the uncritical demonization toward people who choose to display the flag.
    One of my good friends in high school had a pick up truck that loudly played "Dixie" when he honked. He also had a huge belt buckle with the flag on it that was his favorite. I look at people as individuals, and don't hold the view that every person who displays the flag is any more racist than anyone else. My point was about rather or not it's PC for whites to display their racial pride, and I stand by the assertion that it is.

    I have nothing personal against the Confederate flag, no more blacks died under it than the American flag.

    I also voted for prejudice, not racist. I don't think that everyone is racist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EnFpFer View Post
    I hope not. Using that line of thinking, perhaps millions more whites would join the Klan as well.
    No, only the minority who would display the flag out of racist intent.

    As for the rest, people are "defying" the social pressure to repress their identity in order to avoid offending people they would like to be friends/neighbors/co-workers/etc with. For instance, you would apparently automatically dismiss someone with a Confederate flag on their truck, rather than get to know them and perhaps find a new friend you have a lot in common with, who just happens to disagree with you concerning the meaning of that particular flag. That is analogous to a religious conservative dismissing an openly gay person who might very well be a lot like them, otherwise. Of course, there's more tangible pressure people would be defiant toward, such as economic reprisals and general harassment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic Tater View Post
    I avoid conflict in general. Furthermore, I don't like using "racial" terminologies at all.
    I was actually asking you why you were so deathly afraid of offending black people. Are you deathly afraid of offending everyone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EnFpFer View Post
    I was actually asking you why you were so deathly afraid of offending black people. Are you deathly afraid of offending everyone?
    Well, if I am offending someone, I want it to be in good taste. (If that makes any sense). If an individuals personal growth rests upon being criticized, then I will take the opportunity.

    However, racist comments don't help anyone grow. They whither peoples' self esteem. And I don't want to be perceived as a racist by anyone because I am not one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    No, only the minority who would display the flag out of racist intent.
    Look, I have a German uncle, right. His father was a Nazi. It's part of his heritage and all. His dad fought in the war and all.**shivers** Nonetheless, that tiny part of history, in which my uncle wasn't even alive for, is not something he wishes to display and identify with. The South has a rich history, and part of that history includes abolitionism. Why isn't that part of the history waved all over the place as a source of pride? How many little Southern children, black or white, do you think can name a Southern abolitionist? More than one?

    The reason people associate the flag with a racist intent is because flying it recalls a part of Southern history that pertained to the states fighting for their rights to keep black slaves. The flip side to that history, where many Southern whites risked their lives to free the Southern black slaves, is rarely a part of the "pride".

    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    For instance, you would apparently automatically dismiss someone with a Confederate flag on their truck, rather than get to know them and perhaps find a new friend you have a lot in common with, who just happens to disagree with you concerning the meaning of that particular flag.
    Absolutely not ever. See my post above.

    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    Of course, there's more tangible pressure people would be defiant toward, such as economic reprisals and general harassment.
    Uh huh. Economic reprisal in the South for being a Confederate sympathizer? You mean the type that Strom Thurmond or Maurice Bessinger benefited suffered?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic Tater View Post
    I avoid conflict in general. Furthermore, I don't like using "racial" terminologies at all.
    You said that you were "deathly" afraid of offending black people, not Asians or anyone else. I was just wondering why that was.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EnFpFer View Post


    You said that you were "deathly" afraid of offending black people, not Asians or anyone else. I was just wondering why that was.
    The phrase "I am deathly afraid of offending black people" does not exclude any other person or race.

    I believe the phrase you are looking for is "I am deathly afraid offending only black people".

    As I said earlier, I don't like to offend anyone, and if I offended you by saying that, then I apologize.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mystic Tater View Post
    The phrase "I am deathly afraid of offending black people" does not exclude any other person or race.

    I believe the phrase you are looking for is "I am deathly afraid offending only black people".

    As I said earlier, I don't like to offend anyone, and if I offended you by saying that, then I apologize.
    OMG. Don't go all NFP "we are the world" on me.
    You pointed out a fear of offending a certain demographic of people, and I wanted to know why since your statement didn't appear to be prompted, and then you mentioned "reverse prejudice" and jerkish African Americans. It all seemed very loaded. I'm just trying to find out what the root of all that was. Personal experience?
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    Quote Originally Posted by EnFpFer View Post
    OMG. Don't go all NFP "we are the world" on me.
    You pointed out a fear of offending a certain demographic of people, and I wanted to know why since your statement didn't appear to be prompted, and then you mentioned "reverse prejudice" and jerkish African Americans. It all seemed very loaded. I'm just trying to find out what the root of all that was. Personal experience?
    No, I just saw a Dave Chappelle skit in which the main character was a black werewolf. Every time anyone accused him of eating people, he would label them a racist, even thought he did in fact eat someone.

    My father also works for a pharmacy in which some of the technicians slack off. Some of them are white, some are black, some are Hispanic, but it seems that the white individuals are fired more often, for whatever reason, despite the fact that everyone else is guilty of laziness.

    Judging from what my father has told me, is seems that the superintendent gives more leverage to those who are of different ethnicities because he doesn't want to be accused of violating Discrimination laws/policies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EnFpFer View Post
    Uh huh. Economic reprisal in the South for being a Confederate sympathizer?
    Economic reprisals like state boycotts for hosting a Confederate flag on top of a Confederate soldier's memorial (which is the most appropriate possible place for one, unlike the top of the capital building itself)?

    As for the rest:
    The flag (for most white Southerners) is emblematic of the South in its entirety as a distinct culture; as I said, I can understand the basis of alternative interpretations, but you seem to be attributing your own interpretation onto others, assuming most (if not all) people with fondness for the flag like it because of what you think it symbolizes, or what you mentally envisions upon seeing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    Economic reprisals like state boycotts for hosting a Confederate flag on top of a Confederate soldier's memorial (which is the most appropriate possible place for one, unlike the top of the capital building itself)?
    If a large demographic of tax payers don't like it, then its proper place is in a private museum, if you ask me.

    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    As for the rest:
    The flag (for most white Southerners) is emblematic of the South in its entirety as a distinct culture; as I said, I can understand the basis of alternative interpretations, but you seem to be attributing your own interpretation onto others, assuming most (if not all) people with fondness for the flag like it because of what you think it symbolizes, or what you mentally envisions upon seeing it.
    And the way many Southern Whites romanticize the South; including the Civil War, is in complete disharmony with the way many--dare I say most-- Southern Blacks have experienced it. The fact that it's almost entirely whites who fly the flag around just makes that point even more evident. The flag has racial connotations, if not in the minds of those flying, at least in the minds of most everyone else(black or white). People who fly it are aware of this fact and persist. Ice tea, not the Confederate Flag, is the symbol of the South(and yes, that's just my opinion. Complete truth).

    The Confederate flag wasn't openly displayed in public places, such as on capitol buildings and what not, until nearly 100 years after the Civil War. The flag has only been prominent in very specific times in Southern history, and only used by very specific groups of people until fairly recently, almost always having to do with race in some way.

    I assume the vast majority of whites who display the flag to be aware of the polarizing nature of the flag but have found their heritage to be more important than their relationships with people of color. I also assume that whites who display the flag are aware that virtually no Southerner of color identifies with the flag, in any positive way. For that reason, the Confederate Flag is, in practice-imo, an open display of Southern White pride, which is quite accepted and PC in this region.
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