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    12 and a half weeks BerberElla's Avatar
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    Default Debunking those atheists, the smart way!

    Let's just say, you know for a fact that eating children is wrong. A great number of people believe as you do and we all acknowledge it in unity. Then there is a website that says that eating babies is fine that you don't need to "buy into it" and believe that eating babies is wrong. There is a couple of blogs that talk all day how liberating and fantastic eating children are. Now whoever listens to them think they are crazy and very wrong but a few listen to the intellect behind the reasoning, they listen to the argument. Let's say the argument says it's natural for many animals eat their young in nature, and people are just a part of the natural process or something like that. Some people buy into it and start doing it.

    You struggle everyday as to why people think like that, they all must be crazy, what do they know that you don't? This goes on and on but after a while you get curious. You then start to go around thinking why you don't get to eat babies as others do and how some people demand that you don't, like your parents. Then one day you get an opportunity to do it but everything in your soul KNOWS it is wrong. You shake at the thought of eating that very young child. It's agonizing to you for quite a while, you cuss at yourself for having such insane thoughts!

    One day you see a little 5 year old at some playground and you convince yourself that you have to know what it's like. You seize the moment and kidnap the child. You keep that child tied up for days agonizing whether you should do it or not. You almost feel yourself slipping away into insanity to the point you can't take it. So you get the nerve somehow, and do it. Then afterwords you say to yourself that it was too quick that you need to try it again to see if the feelings you had during were genuine. So flash ahead a month and you have done it many times and you now frequent places that do it and go online to websites that also do it and you feel a sense of a warm community. You struggle with the nightmares until they pass and you feel OK. You embrace the fact that you are now a baby eater and you and your new friends are OK with it. The struggle get's a little easier to accept the notion that eating babies is fine for the natural process. You teach you own kids that it is perfectly natural to eat babies. You start your own website that is called "Eat babies!" and you showcase your work.

    Is this what an atheist goes through when they start to not believe in God? The stories of struggles, that I have heard, turning away from God are similar to this scenario. Many authors talk about the struggle they go through from belief to non belief. The agonizing pain it causes themselves as well as their families. Could atheists talk themselves into anything? The methodical erosion of ones values and morals can be so damaging, to the point that it's acceptable that"Atheists eat babies."

    An atheist may still be moral and say murder and rape are wrong: but when asked why, they will not have a final reason or authority to which they can appeal.

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    This story made me an atheist.

    It sounds much more interesting then constant moral certainty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BerberElla View Post
    An atheist may still be moral and say murder and rape are wrong: but when asked why, they will not have a final reason or authority to which they can appeal.
    I friggin hate this bullshit assertion - "If you don't believe in God then you have nothing to base your morals on".

    So personal ethos are insufficient to make a decent human being? One must believe in God, specifically fear God and God's damnation in order to be a decent human being, and not a berserk baby eater?

    What would modern Christianity be without a fear of hell anyway? I'm guessing churches' tithing income wouldn't be nearly as high.
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    ^ and where do personal ethos come from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragingkatsuki View Post
    ^ and where do personal ethos come from?
    My precious mind.


    ... and you know, faith in my own ability to decide what is wrong and what is right, without the assistance of poorly translated/altered old fairy tale stories.
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    ^ Aah yes. But how did it get in there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ragingkatsuki View Post
    ^ Aah yes. But how did it get in there?
    You are steering away from the original argument that made a claim that people who do not believe in God have nothing to base their morals on.

    Now you are going to that whole "intelligent design" diatribe.
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    ^ I know you know that I'm steering away from the original argument. I just want to get to the roots of where personal ethos come from. Surely it wouldn't pop up in your mind from out of nowhere.

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    I must be lucky then. I grew up in a non-religious family and I was allowed to think however I want. (On this notion however, my parents only taught me basic things, I developed my "opinions" by experimenting, other people's opinion, and the internet) When people ask me about my faith, I usually DO get attacked or harassed for not believing in Christianity.

    I never felt the need for any spirituality, I knew that people joined religions for a sense of belonging or a purpose in life. That and the majority of people I know were just taught it was the only right thing to believe in.
    I had a hard time thinking that there was a Holy "One" and that there was hell (and the fact one goes to hell just because one does not follow the "set universal" rules), afterlife, and just plain old good and bad.

    I always thought that religion itself, was just a moral/social rule book.

    Nowadays, my views on any sort of spirituality is that, I don't need it. I made my own meaning to my life and the "out there" doesn't effect my current situation.

    That isn't to say, however, I don't enjoy thinking, analyzing, theorizing, and putting things into perspective. I actually really enjoy those things.
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    Yeah, eating babies is wrong. Unless God tells you to...

    “And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat” (Leviticus 26:29).
    “And toward her young one that cometh out from between her feet, and toward her children which she shall bear: for she shall eat them” (Deuteronomy 28:57).
    “And I will cause them to eat the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters, and they shall eat every one the flesh of his friend” (Jeremiah 19:9).

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