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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    "meh, you look better naked".
    Of course!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffywolf View Post
    Hah yes, but that would basicly mean you are manipulative. That wouldn't work very well with my conscience.
    What's wrong with manipulation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evan View Post
    What's wrong with manipulation?
    In a relationship? Just about everything. :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffywolf View Post
    In a relationship? Just about everything. :P
    What I'm getting at is this: how do you define manipulation such that it's even possible not to do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evan View Post
    What I'm getting at is this: how do you define manipulation such that it's even possible not to do?
    Deliberate manipulation then. Influencing is not always manipulation. Manipulation requires a dishonest mindset.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffywolf View Post
    Deliberate manipulation then. Influencing is not always manipulation. Manipulation requires a dishonest mindset.
    I don't see how it's dishonest to not say every true thing you're thinking.

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    Being true to yourself, without the need to explain every little detail. I mean, we're capable of trust for a reason. This is not manipulation but influencing to me. It's a positive side of it.

    Manipulation is presenting yourself in the most effective manner to aquire your goals. Instead of (per se) presenting your honest self.

    At least that is how I see it. Influencing is positive. Manipulation is negative. The line inbetween is subjective and can be debated about for several hundred years. For me the line is my view on what is honest and dishonest.
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    Maliciously hiding something or pointing someone in a direction to avoid a certain topic or subject is manipulation. Being vague is not manipulation. If someone knowingly allows it then its not manipulation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    But why even ask the question then? If you want your husband to tell you that you are beautiful, you should just tell him to say that. I'm seriously not getting this... Wouldn't you want your husband to save you from potential embarrassment?
    Wouldn't it be awkward and sterile for partners to have to explicitly request compliments from each other?

    "Please tell me how smart and powerful I am. In return, I'll compliment you on your beauty and anything else you might need affirmation about. Make a list so I don't miss anything."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffywolf View Post
    NT still seems like the type that could deal with it best. And I will attempt to sharpen myself into their direction.
    What you appear to be saying is that you have trouble controlling your own emotional outbursts which manifests as bluntness and a disregard for the partner's feelings.

    A relationship is mostly about mutual emotional satisfaction. I don't know if a typical NT would find this sort of behavior endearing.

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