This town is crawling with little crackpot churches. I'm not sure another one is needed.
“There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.” ~ John Rogers
I'm an INFP with well-developed Ni, that's all. If you could see how crazily Ne I am, how disorganized and irresponsible I used to be, and how difficult it can be for me to make decisions outside the lofty realms of the head, you would change your mind. Don't forget, either, that we're all actors. We put on one mask only to don a different one. Perhaps I'm an INFJ on Typologycentral, an ISTP when I feed the cat, and an ENTJ while I take a nap. These things aren't set in stone, you know. But this is a digression, so you should probably visit my message wall if you have anything to add to that.
Fair enough, but the disorganized/irresponsible nature and other things you listed are also typical of extremely introverted INFJs. Anyone who has trouble with the Judging function can show those kinds of behaviors.
What exactly is it that you think makes you P? Js can quite easily be crazy and/or irresponsible, you know.
Originally Posted by Nyx
Can you put forth this evidence? What about non-physical consciousness?
Again, I have no interest in debating such abstract interpretations of God. You can declare anything to be God or find God anywhere you want if you try hard enough, but I'm not referring to these vague metaphorical unifying force theories of God when I attempt to debunk theism.
I'm arguing against literal interpretations of religion involving a God who consciously watches and manipulates worldly events based on requests from followers, has a moral agenda and judges people's moral character for the afterlife.
If your interpretation of God involves pantheism or panentheism or some other non-physical consciousness/vague definition that can't really be pinned down enough to even be analyzed meaningfully, then fine. I have no interest in discussing this sort of theory.
If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?
i have never really believed in God. i was raised episcopalian and my mother taught sunday school, and is pretty religious. i was an acolyte for most of my junior and senior years of high school. i used to listen to the Gospel and i liked the good feeling it gave me about helping your fellow man, and i liked the pretty church and rituals of it all; the mass and kneeling, the prayers i knew by heart, the candles and smells. it wasn't just that the bible stories didn't jive with me (why would God have abraham slay an innocent sheep? as an animal lover, this just made me mad), but i just could never internalize the idea that God existed; that there was an omnicient, omnibenevolent, and omnipotent Being overlooking everything, like some Divine ENTJ (haha). and when i was 19 i was finally brave enough to say what i had been feeling for a long time, and i still remember vividly saying it: "I am an atheist."
as time has gone by, i do attribute some Divinity to fate or fateful happenings. like, if a text doesn't go through, i think maybe i wasn't supposed to send that text. or--a heavier deal--if i get pregnant accidentally, maybe 'the universe' has ideas for my life that i can't really fathom. i don't think of 'the universe' as God, but something in me does believe, i suppose, that fate can have a benevolent component (my nf flowery thinking taking root?).........which is wacky and really makes no sense whatsoever, which is why i really don't like to think about it too hard.
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The more one loves God, the more it is that having nothing in the world means everything, and the less one loves God, the more it is that having everything in the world means nothing.
Do not resist an evil person, but to him who strikes you on the one cheek, offer also the other. ~Matthew 5:39