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    Quote Originally Posted by JivinJeffJones View Post
    "Ancient Greeks" is a very broad term. Which ancient Greeks are you referring to?
    Athenian philosophers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Athenian philosophers.
    They fell outside my field of study, but I suspect they weren't advocates of the consubstantiality so crucial to the modern doctrine of the Trinity.

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    I think what Victor maybe referring to is the concept of a "Triple deity", which is common in many traditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    To be a 'Celtic Wiccan' today is to be part of the Romantic Movement which is a reaction to the Enlightenment in Europe in the 17th and 18th centuries.

    And the Romantic Movement is a denial of reality based on evidence and reason. Just as being a 'Celtic Wiccan' is a denial of reality today.
    Have you studied the matter or are you just making bigoted sounding conjectures?

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    Quote Originally Posted by greenfairy View Post
    Have you studied the matter or are you just making bigoted sounding conjectures?
    Surely you don't think critiques of Celtic Wiccan are ignorant and bigoted?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beorn View Post
    Augustine on the Trinity
    http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf103.iv.i.html

    Athanasius on the incarnation
    http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/history/ath-inc.htm#ch_9

    There are hundreds of more pages, but that should be a start.
    Very funny. Do you have arguments-only texts too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Just as being a 'Celtic Wiccan' is a denial of reality today.
    A fairy just lost its wings.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    As far as I am informed, the trinity was introduced into the texts that ended up in the Bible through interpolations. In other words: It is even more made-up than the rest.
    You are correct, Sir.
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    Gosh, the world looks so small from up here on my high horse of menstruation.

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    God-leaning agnostic. Not sure on type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Surely you don't think critiques of Celtic Wiccan are ignorant and bigoted?
    I do if they involve the blanket assertion that they deny reality, especially with no explanation.

    Quote Originally Posted by Salomé View Post
    A fairy just lost its wings.
    Oh yeah? Try to take em away. Still here.

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    I'll bet that Ns are more atheistic than Ss. But the complicated area is when it comes to atheistic spirituality (like Buddhism). I can see Ss, especially SPs, having a high rate of identification with atheistic spiritual traditions, but I would also bet than Ns, especially NTs, would show the most knowledge and devotion/investment and paradoxically, the least identification (because I think NTs like to refrain from identifying with others).

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