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    Default Net-worth and self-worth: what is difference?

    Net-worth and self-worth: what is difference?

    The difference between net worth and self worth to my mind rests on that which is extrinsic and intrinsic to our humanity.

    Abraham Maslow defined a hierarchy of needs to be:
    1) Biological and Physiological (water, food, shelter, air, sex, etc.)
    2) Safety (security, law and order, stability, etc.)
    3) Belonging and love (family, affection, community, etc.)
    4) Esteem (self-esteem, independence, prestige, achievement, etc.)
    5) Self-Actualization (self-fulfillment, personal growth, realizing personal potential, etc.)

    I think that the needs 1 thru 3 are extrinsic needs. While needs 4 and 5 are to a large degree intrinsic needs. They are intrinsic in the sense that we can survive without fulfilling such needs but they are needs that will enhance our sense of self worth.

    Capitalism tends to accentuate needs 1 thru 3 with little thought to 4 and 5 because such an economic system recognizes little about anything but net worth. Net worth is valuable especially if it allows us to accomplish needs 4 and 5.

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    I thought that net worth worked in terms of monetary value (or, your value to society as a worker/whatever) and self worth was how valuable you believe yourself to be (in the abstract, not in terms of money). But I may well be confused, as I frequently am.
    Wait, what did you say again?

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    It looks like you pointed out the differences on your own already. Maybe that's why you don't have very many responses. Good show however, I certainly appreciated it.

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    My point is that capitalism tends to form an ideology focused upon net worth without consideration about self-worth. Cultural anti-intellectualism is an example. Our educational system teaches us the things that we need to know in order to help maximize production and consumption with little regard for teaching us what we need to know to establish self-esteem beyond the acquisition of consumer goods. Our educational system does not produce graduates who are prepared to become self-actualizing independent critical thinking well adjusted individuals.

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    Many people honestly believe their net worth IS their self worth... if they aren't rich, they aren't worth anything.

    Or taken to greater extreemes, why is it if someone has a billion dollars networth, that they continue to try to make more money? Does that money help them in any way? Not really. Could they have provided that money to someone who could use it better? Yeah they could've. Did they? Nope. Why not? Because it defines who they are. They are the net value, and nothing more. It is their success, their power, their strength, their fidelity. Without it, they are nothing. To loose it all would cripple them.

    Others can live in poverty and still care for who they are as a person, however.

    That being said, I think #3 on the list is also self-worth, not net worth. Having people care about yeu is rather important to maintaining the last two generally. There are direct influences from both aspects; no self esteem generally kills yeur love life. No love life kills yeur self esteem eventually. There's exceptions and so on but they are connected for the most part.

    In any case, capitalism is flawed, like every societal concept. It doesn't matter which one, they're all flawed from the ground up.

    The biggest issue though, is that there aren't any capitalistic countries in the world to be able to compare to. The USA is a socialist nation, they just don't know it because they refuse to learn whot the word means due to paranoia.

    In any case, 'capitalism, communism and socialism' are MONETARY modes of thought... none of them have anything to do with the latter parts of the 'pyramid', only the monetary aspects. Anything past that yeu're on yeur own.

    Except countries are ruled by the values of the majority, and they often try to force their opinions of love, life and sexuality and so on upon everyone else. That's not related to the monetary methods of thought however. This happens regardless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coberst View Post
    My point is that capitalism tends to form an ideology focused upon net worth without consideration about self-worth. Cultural anti-intellectualism is an example. Our educational system teaches us the things that we need to know in order to help maximize production and consumption with little regard for teaching us what we need to know to establish self-esteem beyond the acquisition of consumer goods. Our educational system does not produce graduates who are prepared to become self-actualizing independent critical thinking well adjusted individuals.
    Yep you are right, ever heard of the book "the deliberate dumbing down of america"?


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    Errm isn't Maslow's hierarchy personal and capitalism global? I mean isn't that like comparing and contrasting two systems that don't apply to the same arena?
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xander View Post
    Errm isn't Maslow's hierarchy personal and capitalism global? I mean isn't that like comparing and contrasting two systems that don't apply to the same arena?
    I would say that Maslow's needs apply universally to all persons and capitalism applies to all individuals within the nation that has that economic system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coberst View Post
    I would say that Maslow's needs apply universally to all persons and capitalism applies to all individuals within the nation that has that economic system.
    Lol... yes by extension one is applied to the other but still Maslow is addressing the individuals priorities where as capitalism is addressing the needs and priorities of the organisiation.

    I don't argue that there are differences, I'm merely postulating that such could be attributed, in majority, to this difference in address.
    Isn't it time for a colourful metaphor?

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