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    Hah I just couldn't resist having a little fun with it. : )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott View Post
    The notion that 2+2=4 is a scientific fact seems odd to me. Or like deciding to call anything that seems firmly true 'scientific fact'.
    I agree; the only facts are the ones we've already predefined ourselves in arbitarily defined/closed systems.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scott View Post
    You seem to be comparing a modernistic understanding of religion to a more contemporary understanding of science, and then criticizing religion for having a modernistic take on things. I could do the same in the other direction - there's certain no shortage of nigh-positivistic proponents of science out there. This really doesn't say anything about science or religion, it just says something about the what religion looks like through the lens of modernism.
    Interesting point. Like I said, the only religion I intend to criticize is that which purports to have dogmatic certainty about a conscious and self aware God with a moral agenda that he enforces on the world.

    If you have a more pantheistic idea of God, then that's great. I'm not really addressing such philosophies; they're not very representative of God in a modern Western religious context.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scott View Post
    To go back to the first quote, it seems to me that much of the southern part of the US hasn't really gotten past modernism yet, whether regarding religious thought or else. This is particularly true of the louder parts, unfortunately, but that seems to always be the way of it. Looking at the larger stream of historical Christianity, as well as the better educated and brighter Christians today, gives a different view, without running into the problem of being hopelessly vague that you (rightly) criticized earlier.
    Haha true. Can you tell me about your ideas on Christianity and how they differ from modernist ones? I suppose "modernist Christianity" is the only form I'm really criticizing here because it seems like the only one that's really relevant in modern society.



    Quote Originally Posted by Scott View Post
    Oooh. See, I took four years of philosophy, but I never did take the intro class. I guess that must be why I still maintain this silly God idea. Maybe I can go back and audit.
    Haha...I would guess that your definition of God differs quite dramatically from that of mainstream Western Christianity today.



    Quote Originally Posted by Scott View Post
    Noooo! *Throws N water on Fuulie (it's magical, you know)* Don't give me your silly arguments about practicality and such things. I like-a the abstract.
    Okay, I'd like to hear about your ideas on God. Then we can continue with all the abstraction you want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JAVO View Post
    I think Richard Dawkins fairly clearly insists that reality is blue.
    [YOUTUBE="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tRpbkpNpgw"]No he doesn't[/YOUTUBE]

    He says that as a scientist he has to accept the possibility of God existing, however small and ridiculous it may be.
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    Come on Edgar; don't take away their favorite pariah.
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    Come on Edgar; don't take away their favorite pariah.
    I may be an atheist, but also want for people to get along, whether they are religious or not.

    So I would like to extend my hand of friendship to theists by saying that I am quite fond of the musical "Jesus Christ Superstar".
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    Yeah man I understand Christians for real; I've got a bobblehead Jesus on my dashboard.

    His halo has mostly worn away by this point but by God he's still hanging in there.
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    Hey just for the record, I wasn't being facetious.

    I know the lyrics to a lot of songs from that musical and everything.

    And to prove it I will sing this song on Ventrillo for anyone who wants to hear it:

    [YOUTUBE="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YPDXmEsQtQ"]Jesus Christ Superstar[/YOUTUBE]
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    Omg. Mycroft post!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Then who or what created the dimension in which God exists? Here's a crude analogy: God is an all-powerful being, sitting alone in a room. He is all that exists in this room. One day, he creates a chair, separate from Himself.

    Who or what created the room?
    I don't understand the point of this question. Perhaps God created it. Perhaps the room was always there. Does it make any difference?


    In order for reality to be infinite, it must already simultaneously contain all states. There is nothing which it could lack.
    You seem to have an unusual and multi-faceted definition of "infinite". Infinite describes something's quantity. It does not describe something's quality. Tell me does everything in this "infinite" universe of yours have to be matter and energy simultaneously in order for it to qualify for your definition of "infinite"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SolitaryWalker View Post
    The crux of Mycroft's argument is this: Most Judeo-Christian faiths describe God as distinct from the universe. This is incoherent because the universe is traditionally taken to be all that exists. God is maintained to exist and to be distinct from the universe. Hence, simultaneously two incompatible claims are made. God exists and God is nothing (outside of all things that exist). You have not yet furnished a refutation of this view.
    What is so hard to get?

    If God exists:-

    God is distinct from the Universe, therefore the Universe is not all encompassing, by definition.

    If the 'Universe' = 'All things that exist' (not that that is its usual definition), then god is part of the Universe, by definition.

    Claims that god is outside of existence are made by Atheists, not Theists.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Who or what created the room?
    You are aware that every single thing in existence suffers from this same regress?

    The causation chain either ends somewhere. A non-contingent being. Usually described as "self-created", or "eternal"/"atemporal". E.g. God, Energy etc.

    Or, the causation chain is infinite. Essentially making the Universe itself the non-contingent being, since no individual being is treated as such.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    In order for reality to be infinite, it must already simultaneously contain all states. There is nothing which it could lack.
    A simple refutation:-

    Numbers are infinite. They do not simultaneously contain all states. There are different states of infinity.

    The level of infinity you refer to is a contradiction. As to contain all states, is to contain an individual state to contradict every other individual state. If it were to exist, it would be beyond the bounds of logic, as it would require states outside of logic.

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