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    Serious question, who is more badass OT god or the Devil?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quinlan View Post
    Serious question, who is more badass OT god or the Devil?
    I believe observable existence or proof of any activity or even place in the universe to be a major asset on the road to badassness.

    but maybe it's just me
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    Quote Originally Posted by EcK View Post
    I believe observable existence or proof of any activity or even place in the universe to be a major asset on the road to badassness.

    but maybe it's just me
    I dunno, hearsay and rumour tends to increase badassness by a factor of 5.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quinlan View Post
    Serious question, who is more badass OT god or the Devil?
    OT God. Devil didn't play too many parts in it.

    What does CS Lewis writing fantasy books have to do with his ability to be logical?

    Many people underestimate the experiences of a lot of Christians. I shock people when I tell them my mom is an atheist and skeptic. I grew up with her being very outright negative toward Christianity. There is nothing anyone can say that can phase me, I've heard it all from my own mom. Luckily we both grew up and don't have that issue anymore.

    On the other hand, because of that, I've learned who is actually wanting to talk about beliefs and who just wants to feel superior to someone with a "belief"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athenian200 View Post
    I mean, how could you live your whole life around one thing, especially one thing that you can't even... see? I don't just mean religion, I mean... well, anything. Technology, dating, philosophy, writing, music (though those are more understandable because you can see their effects)... some people live their whole lives around one thing, and that seems strange to me. I guess I've just always felt this natural need to segment things off, have different parts of my life that can interact, but don't necessarily.
    I think my family's belief system helps them feel that they have meaning in life, and they're important, so it is naturally part of everything they think and do. It's hard to see past that or get out of it if it's all you've ever known and it's been drilled into you from the time you were an infant. My parents feel God is the entire reason we live, so serving God should be the reason for everything we do. Their particular view of serving God is different from many other Christians I know, though. (And I don't have a problem with all Christians. *Hugs Christians in this discussion thread.*)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jewelchild View Post
    To a fundamentalist, religion is involved in everything. Science, education, medicine, politics, art, and even the parking spot I got at the mall. Kind of makes it difficult to separate "nonreligious" things in order to have a rational conversation. Math, maybe. The economy ... I still hear all sorts of religious reasons from my fundie friends about why the economy is the way it is, so I'm gonna call that as a no go.
    Yup, everything is about God, and thus any decision has to be based on one's faith, which is ordered by the prevailing theology. This is actually an attempt by religious to be faithful, true, loyal, and not withhold any part of themselves from God; since it's actually a positive intention, it makes it harder to enter into discussion without sounding like you're against someone being faithful to their values.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EcK View Post
    See, i love how people confuse close circuit logic with rationality which tends to have the silly habit of empiricism.

    That was my point btw, about the fantasy books.

    But ofc usehername assumed I didn't have her incredible gift for second degree.


    And btw, i followed college theology courses. Since you seem to be deeply impressed by degrees and college curriculums, as any rational and self made lady should be. Ofc. (Let's play 'can you spot the sarcasm')
    What does "second degree" mean? I used the university analogy as, quote, an "analogy." Level of formal education is irrelevant; level of informed education is relevant. You implied you had little of the latter, and that's what I referenced.

    Also, your posts presume I know what you're thinking in your head, which I don't, especially because this is the first time I've noticed you on the forum. If you could flesh out your positions a little more you'd be easier to understand, rather trying to interpret your terse and fragmented thoughts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Usehername View Post
    What does "second degree" mean? I used the university analogy as, quote, an "analogy." Level of formal education is irrelevant; level of informed education is relevant. You implied you had little of the latter, and that's what I referenced.
    You mean you talk to god ? Otherwise I don't see how anybody could have anything else than a formal education when it comes to theology.
    You don't even understand your own implications.
    Quote Originally Posted by Usehername View Post
    Also, your posts presume I know what you're thinking in your head, which I don't, especially because this is the first time I've noticed you on the forum. If you could flesh out your positions a little more you'd be easier to understand, rather trying to interpret your terse and fragmented thoughts.
    I'm sorry, I tend to assume i'm talking to able minded individuals. You don't explain how you open doors to people, do you ? Well, the same goes for what's implied by what I say, if you don't get it well, your loss, I just can't bring myself to care. sowy
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    Quote Originally Posted by therationaledge View Post
    For example, I have read the bible front to back and the best way to describe it would be.
    God loves you, if you love god. If you dont, you deserve to die and burn in hell, be you man, woman, or child.

    So God is Selective Love

    Unless of course you make the arguement he loves us even though we are in hell, then the debate would be on what you define love as.
    Where did you read that unless you love God you will find yourself in hell?
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    Loving God = Keeping God's commandments.

    "Whoever has my commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves me. And he who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and manifest myself to him." - John 14:21

    "For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments." 1 John 5:3a


    Not Keeping God's commandments results in Punishment, Separation, Destruction, & Death.

    "For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Romans 6:23

    "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments." -Exodus 20:4-6 (Part of the Ten Commandments)

    "... when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels in flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might..." 1 Thessalonians 1:7-9
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