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    Scott, I think you're missing the point that while meditation can be spiritual for some, it doesn't have to be for others. People have this misconception that meditation is linked to Hinduism/Yoga. While it is linked to it, that doesn't mean you have to follow the life of a Yogi to be a successful meditator. For some people, it's a purely secular thing.

    For me, I know I feel a spiritual presence within me when I meditate but it has nothing to do with any religion. It is simply the spirit of the cosmos flowing throughout my soul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by metaphours View Post
    Scott, I think you're missing the point that while meditation can be spiritual for some, it doesn't have to be for others. People have this misconception that meditation is linked to Hinduism/Yoga. While it is linked to it, that doesn't mean you have to follow the life of a Yogi to be a successful meditator. For some people, it's a purely secular thing.

    For me, I know I feel a spiritual presence within me when I meditate but it has nothing to do with any religion. It is simply the spirit of the cosmos flowing throughout my soul.
    Ok, I see your take on this. Yes, there are many levels of meditation and a number of different motivations. For plenty of people its as you put it "secular" and about stress relief or relaxation or maybe focusing better. That's perfectly fine, and I hope that people "find what they are looking for" when they do that. There are also deeper things in this realm of activity, so if someone asks about meditation experiences, we are free to answer as well. You did ask about people's experiences, which at some point I discussed some of mine, so I did answer that topic which was asked.

    Sometimes people are interested in meditation and hear about all sorts of "fantastical" experiences, which some find very intriguing and some find very odd. Personally, I tend to try not to get too involved in discussing those unless someone specifically asks or something. Even in my response here I kept that stuff pretty low.

    Meditation can be found all over the place, its FAR more broad than just yoga, or hinduism, or buddhism, which are probably about the most common "places" people here about it in. It is a common misconception that meditation=buddhism, or the like. I always tell people "I just don't see how you can accuse 'paying attention' to your breathing as somehow requiring or implying buddhism or the like, just like saying 'breath well' doesnt imply daoism. Its just paying attention in the one case and breathing in the other. It can connect to more stuff, but it doesnt need to." Absolutely, there are a number of ways one can meditate and a number of "places" one can learn it from. Eastern philosophy, and other things too!, not required.

    I can't stop what people are going to do, and for some drugs can serve as an entrance point to "spiritual experiences", but still I wish to argue against their usage. There are things FAR more profound out there within the realm of possibility, and in many ways drugs are an uncontrolled crutch at best. I've already discussed that earlier so I won't any more, but as a "serious" person on this topic I did want to bring up reasons not to use drugs.

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    Drugs are a cheap way for mankind to cheat the system, for those unable to attain being on their own.

    It's an attachment that you use to cheat your way into the program.

    But when you get there, you aren't really there.

    Drugs are an illusion.
    Is it that by its indefiniteness it shadows forth the heartless voids and immensities of the universe, and thus stabs us from behind with the thought of annihilation, when beholding the white depths of the milky way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneWithSoul View Post
    Drugs are a cheap way for mankind to cheat the system, for those unable to attain being on their own.

    It's an attachment that you use to cheat your way into the program.

    But when you get there, you aren't really there.

    Drugs are an illusion.
    Very deep.
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    How do you get to the point where you really get inside of your own mind?

    Like, I have heard of the monks who stop feeling pain to a certain degree because they are able to separate their minds from their bodies.
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    Repetitive objectification or withdrawal into thought,... pure thought isn't subject to the external,...

    Weird story: As a child I would consistently bring bathwater to as hot as the water heater allowed, in some sort of incremental way, and manage to not scald.

    I don't know why I stopped except that it wasn't an expedient way to bathe.
    I might start doing this again...
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    Also - anyone, why is it Roygbiv from root to crown instead of the other way around as like a rainbow(this question has pestered me too long)?

    never mind, I'm so disappointed in myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by metaphours View Post
    Scott, I think you're missing the point that while meditation can be spiritual for some, it doesn't have to be for others. People have this misconception that meditation is linked to Hinduism/Yoga. While it is linked to it, that doesn't mean you have to follow the life of a Yogi to be a successful meditator. For some people, it's a purely secular thing.

    For me, I know I feel a spiritual presence within me when I meditate but it has nothing to do with any religion. It is simply the spirit of the cosmos flowing throughout my soul.
    yes Metaphours that is exactly it. I find when i meditate it's like i feel at peace with everything around me.
    Also feel a hugeconnectedness/acceptance with life, stress etc.
    It's definitely is a spiritual experience not religious. Like when it helps you get in touch with what matters in life. Letting your brain go, letting problems go.

    I find i'm more forgiving and accepting of whatever comes my way when i meditate. Able to let go of things more too and appreciate my friends even the ones who have hurt me.

    I feel that connection with some higher power sometimes like you said the cosmos like i am one with the universe . Feels really good hehe.

    Ever done that meditation on youtube where she has you send good vibes to your enemy,the world and visualizing the vibe that connects us all?

    That one always has me feeling so good and at peace with the world, feel internal harmony, not stressed or anxious just relaxed and at peace.

    Love meditation i feel like it takes me to a higher place to help me become a better person/ more mindful. Also i find i handle conflict better too, able to keep a cool head and not let emotions rule me.

    Just notice I have more patience, more centered and able to sit with my thoughts. Feel like it gives me more understanding of anothers postion in life and how were all connected in this life.

    It really shifts my perspective and helps me be more mindful. I feel afterwards like i want to just give everybody a bouque of flowers, hug my mom lol.

    Also if in conflict with someone just meditate and it's like i am no longer mad at them and i just want it to be set straight so the harmony can be back. Helps me understand there are bigger fish to fry, love meditation .
    Seriously like the world don't seem so scary or wrong.
    Much more positive vibe ahhh.

    Don't you agree metaphours,OneWithSoul etc? It's nice isn't it. I like how OneWithSoul describes alot of their experience with meditation, I agree with alot of it. I truly just want to feel at one with earth, peace, my inner soul and what really is important etc.
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    What is Feeling?
    Feeling is primarily a process.....that imparts to the content a definite value in the sense of acceptance or rejection. In the same way that thinking organizes the contents of consciousness under concepts, feeling arranges them according to their value. Feeling, like thinking, is a rational function, since values in general are assigned according to the laws of reason...
    (Carl Jung, Psychological Types, Chapter XI - Definitions)

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    Quote Originally Posted by alcea rosea View Post
    So you'll doing meditation successfully these days? How long did it take you before you could really calm down? How did you "prevent" the thoughts?
    I just found this thread so sorry if this is a bit late.

    I meditate every night as I fall asleep. I've been doing it for years. Something I do to help control the chatter in my brain is I repeat a phrase I learned form a woman who was a Reki master. She came from India and I was fortunate enough to speak with her for her short time in the U.S. Now, whatever your beliefs on that are that's fine. I don't know what I believe but, I will say I have never in my life met anyone who held the peace and complete acceptance of humanity in my life. She was an amazing person.

    What I do is repeat in my head: Nam Myoho Renge Kyo (that's phonetic)

    Supposedly it means "I bow down to the universal laws of cause and effect."

    But it could also mean "This girl is an idiot and she thinks I have inner peace. I like tacos."

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    Meditation quiets the voices in my head, and focuses me within my own body - a beautiful tool I am in tune with normally, but can lose track of when my mind goes off into the clouds.

    I learned it in a couple of different academic classes, and miss it. It centered me and drew me to the root of myself - giving me that feeling of being in sync right at the core, at the base of my spine all the way up to my heart and brain.

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