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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Don't worry Tiny, Victor's just going through his usual Islamophobe phase. Give it a few days, and he'll start bashing Catholics in no time, or denoucing religion altogether as nothing more than a cover for child molestation fuhfuhfuh.
    Don't forget declaring typology a religion, blatantly ignoring everything he's told to the contrary, and carrying on the biggest trolling campaign since Rick-rolling blew up.
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiny Army View Post
    I don't see why this matters when you are spreading hatred neatly through your posts. I could just as easily say America will be benevolent only when they have taken over the world. How many innocent children died in Iraq? In Afghanistan? We can keep going; Vietnam, Korea. But I suppose they deserved to die because they were part of "the silent majority" and had already indicated their assent. Essentially, they deserved to die for being "infidels" by your weak standards.
    Unfortunately the Islamists have declared war on us.

    And war is evil if for no other reason that one is required to take sides.

    And I choose my own people.

    What do you do?

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    I will not take the side of anyone who believes mass murder is alright in any way shape or form. An entire faith did not declare war on anything. In fact I believe the only declaration of war I saw out there was the Americans against the innocent people of Iraq to serve their own greed.

    The killing of innocent people will always be wrong. I despise extremism in all forms.

    Is the western opinion of Islam not extreme in itself? I choose the side that does not kill. Oh whoops that side doesn't exist!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiny Army View Post
    In fact I believe the only declaration of war I saw out there was the Americans against the innocent people of Iraq to serve their own greed.
    Actually that wasnt a declaration of war formally.

    Is the western opinion of Islam not extreme in itself?
    Depends on what you mean by "Western opinion"; cause on many levels I could agree.

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    The bizarre belief that Iraq was a series of mud huts filled with terrified women married to their abusive cousins. That the middle east are a load of savages in caves. Iraq was a modern nation. 50% of the work force was female and covering your heads was not required by law (as it seems to have become NOW after the occupation. What a coincidence!).

    I have yet to meet an American who knew that Iraq was not an Islamic republic before the war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiny Army View Post
    I have yet to meet an American who knew that Iraq was not an Islamic republic before the war.
    Well it's always nice to be first I guess.

    Iraq was largely a secular state under Baathist ideology. In fact Iraq's native Christians enjoyed equal rights and some were able to achieve significant positions of power - most famously Saddam's vice president Tariq Aziz(who's Catholic).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Don't worry Tiny, Victor's just going through his usual Islamophobe phase. Give it a few days, and he'll start bashing Catholics in no time, or denoucing religion altogether as nothing more than a cover for child molestation fuhfuhfuh.

    Your own rhetorical hyperbole aside, he would be correct to refer to the catholic church that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nebbykoo View Post
    Your own rhetorical hyperbole aside, he would be correct to refer to the catholic church that way.
    Yeah I guess if one relies on grade-school history.

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    I reject the idea that America came in to free the Iraqi people from oppression. Why then did they install the Iraqi interim governing council (most of whom have terrorist affiliations) based on ethnicity and religion? That idea is abhorrent to a secular culture. Why then were the Jewish and Christian minority not represented? Why did they try to bring in Turkish soldiers to the northern regions to enforce peace? Did they some how miss the conflicts between Turks and Iraqis? Apparently it was important to have "muslim" soldiers in the area, nevermind that the Turks are primarily Sunni and northern Iraq is primarily Shi'a. What if (say) India occupied the US and then brought in Cuba to enforce peace. Moved Cuban soldiers into Florida. "You're all Christians. You should get along just fine! See how culturally sensitive we are?"

    Why did the American government, so big on freedom of speech, shut down the newspaper Al-Hawza? Apparently they're only free to say what the Americans want them to say.

    It was not a liberation. It was a conquest. The conquered have a right to fight back.

    You may cite examples of Islamists killing people but what about the reverse? It was American soldiers that killed my ten year old cousin in Baquba during a raid. Tell me how this child deserved to die. Tell me why the lives of your people are worth more than those of others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiny Army View Post
    Why has everyone forgotten that Iraq was a secular government before L. Paul Bremer installed the nine rotating religious fundamentalists and gave them power? And then shut down a bunch of newspapers and started forcing women to cover their heads?

    Pot calling the kettle black if you ask me.
    1.) If you think the regime of Saddam Hussein was preferable to what is currently in place, I would reccomend you study its history and characteristics. Also, the ineptitude of the occupation phase notwithstanding, the medium and long-term consequences of the Iraqi invasion are most likely better (in the utilitarian sense) for the Iraqis than the continuation of the previous regime (which would eventually have been followed by a civil war unrestrained by outside military intervention, anyway). Frankly, American nationalism is a better reason to hate the Iraq war than humanitarian concern for its citizens.

    2.) I'm not talking about terrorism, I'm talking about Islamism (which is what orthodox Islamic interpretations lead to); even amongst its supporters, terrorism is but a tool of jihad (in pursuit of Shariah law) employed by those who lack the means to wage a coventional war. The relationship between Islamism and jihad/terrorism is like the relationship between white supremacism and segregationists beliefs* and the KKK and racial lynchings in the old South; the fomer provides a defacto support network and ideological incubator for the latter. This also makes the former far more dangerous in the long-term, which is why I'm not impressed by the fact that most Islamists (i.e. orthodox Muslims) genuinely oppose terrorism and jihad.

    This soapbox has nothing to do with spreading hatred, but rather is a means of defending human liberty and encouraging much-needed reform within the Muslim world-reform which cannot take place so long as Shariah law, and the core beliefs which sustain it, is in place.


    *which I suppose non-Southerners would have had no business opposing, onemoretime? Moral relativism is just as intellectually lazy as ethnocentricism...in any event, Islamism leads to expansionistic jihad, which IS a threat to other civilizations.

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