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    Quote Originally Posted by iamathousandapples View Post
    Internal morality rather than religious dogma. Believing without question religious dogma does not make one good, rather a sheep.
    Our culture has allowed religion to take command of morality. Until we develop a science of morality, Sunday school moral mentality will be the best we have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coberst View Post
    Our culture has allowed religion to take command of morality. Until we develop a science of morality, Sunday school moral mentality will be the best we have.
    Except it's not


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    Quote Originally Posted by coberst View Post
    Our culture has allowed religion to take command of morality. Until we develop a science of morality, Sunday school moral mentality will be the best we have.
    I agree with that. But the picture is even more negative : this has ALWAYS been the case. Religion didn't take over, it has always been there. It's thanks to the age of enlightenment (18th century) that reason is starting to sink in here and there. And only in the West, here and there. In the Middle-East for instance this is yet to enter the consciousness (and there's no point in rushing it, or trying to force it).
    If we make it far enough eventually rationality just might triumph.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coberst View Post
    Until we develop a science of morality
    There's no such thing as a science of morality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    There's no such thing as a science of morality.
    You are correct and therein lay the rub. Until we remove this idea that morality is the provence of religion we will never solve the problem of living in harmony with one another. We have placed in the hands of ordinary humans extrodinary power that will lead to the destruction of the species if not all life on this planet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iamathousandapples View Post
    Except it's not

    no fucking way thats my high school right there looool.
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    Incidentally, I believe that I am a dominant Ti user, and I often have trouble explaining things that I understand well. It's a matter of organizing the presentation of material. I can have it perfectly organized in my head all at once, but structuring the sequential delivery of material so that others understand is a different matter entirely, and requires a different skill set that I am apparently lacking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thisGuy View Post
    are you calling human race stagnant? that it has reached its peak on the growing scale?

    everyone is smart and the world becomes shit, then everyone would move to a new world or create less shit
    Sad fact of the day: half of the world population has a two digit IQ

    You cannot make everyone an independent, purely rational being. The best thing you can do is create a rational system under which society operates. That what the Founding Fathers tried to do two centuries ago and we still can't get right.
    Listen to me, baby, you got to understand, you're old enough to learn the makings of a man.

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    Well, we've already tried male leaders. We even went out our the way to bring an afro into the head chair. What else is there? I give up! Maybe we should adopt the 10 commandments as our official decree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgar View Post
    The best thing you can do is create a rational system under which society operates. That what the Founding Fathers tried to do two centuries ago and we still can't get right.
    And this was your mistake. You tried to create a rational system but only succeeded in vandalizing the English language.

    Yes, Noah Webster is the vandal who influenced your whole educational system.

    Noah sought to rationalize English but only succeeded in vandalizing it.

    And using a vandalized language, how can you get it right?

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    Hey victor. Aren't you about 3,000 posts short?

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