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    St. Paul calls upon Christians to be good citizens. Not to mention Christ's command to render unto Caesar what is Caesar's.

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    The sheer mundane gall of the story is itself compelling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    Isn't God supposed to return for judgment first?
    God did return for a little while not too long ago. We didn't hear about it because the media was too focused on global warming.
    everyone uses every function about evenly. take NE for example. if there are those who don't use it much, then why are there such massive amounts of people constantly flowing through Wallmart with 20 items or less?

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    A conservative Christian closest to me believes that global warming is a liberal leftist conspiracy, and that people buy into it because they need something to give their lives to since they don't have Jesus. (I'm not being facetious. That's really what he said.)

    Why take care of the earth if it's all going to burn? It's the same reason this person always tells me there is no point in trying to make peace on earth. There will be no peace until Jesus comes back, therefore the sentiment "peace on earth" is "stupid."
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    So the Christian Right believes in stuff like that, yet in the meantime, makes a point to uphold capitalism as the political savior of the earth (hence, global warming is a myth, because it is a leftist scheme to regulate and limit capitalism).

    Also, I used to take a "futurist" view of scripture (Peter's and other's prophecies were yet future and literal), but the problem was, in many places, it was said to occur "soon", and the lost blatant example of this was Mat 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. We have tried to explain this away, with absolutely no success, and it just becomes another one of those things "we can't comprehend".

    So I have found the preterist interpretation (that the Temple system was "the old world" to be destroyed, which did occur in some of their lifetimes) makes much more sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jewelchild View Post
    A conservative Christian closest to me believes that global warming is a liberal leftist conspiracy, and that people buy into it because they need something to give their lives to since they don't have Jesus. (I'm not being facetious. That's really what he said.)
    No justification needed here.

    That's been exactly the same experience I've had with many people in my churches.

    It's what they were taught, along with the "oppressed minority / the world is sliding into moral disarray and only we can save it" mentality, and it appeals to them in some way.

    Why take care of the earth if it's all going to burn? It's the same reason this person always tells me there is no point in trying to make peace on earth. There will be no peace until Jesus comes back, therefore the sentiment "peace on earth" is "stupid."
    Actually, that's a step up on the reasoning chain. I'm impressed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Owl View Post
    I disagree. A Christian ought to be intimately concerned with politics, and he will actively work against those beliefs that manifest themselves in cultures and institutions that do not recognize the law of God.
    I think everyone brings personal morality into their politics; they oppose things they disagree with, they support things they approve of. Some are better than others at not abusing their power to impose a minority perspective on the majority, but it makes sense that people would use what avenues they can to endorse what they believe.

    I think the offensive nature is simply when people follow a book that is actually an F-style values system -- i.e., not universally apparent in terms of the specific details, it either is accepted on faith/conviction or not accepted on faith -- but insist that everyone else must follow it as well "because it's right." Politics has the nasty aspect where morality is codified into law, so now you're imposing rules on people who are already "good/productive citizens" that have little to do with maintaining the state as functional; it's maintaining the state as an extension of the details of a particular religious belief, in a country that claims to not endorse a particular religion and supposedly provides freedom of worship.

    If I was the parent, I'd consider the more conservative religions to be the kids that did not respect their siblings and basically feel like I had to protect the rest of the kids from their desire to dominate them and set the rules; meanwhile, I'd have to encourage my more liberal kids to make sure they had some solid footing and direction. It's frustrating to see factions arguing about why they should be in charge based on their personal beliefs rather than any universal standard, and why other people's opinions really don't hold any weight (since they're not in agreement with theirs).

    I think global warming's pretty cut and dried. Examine the state of things (observable by anyone); determine as best as we can if there is anything to do to stop it; then take steps to be prudent. It's all observable, all tangible, all sensible... I don't need to reference a book to tell me to call the fire company to put out my burning house, and especially if the book might tell me that my house really isn't on fire at all. It's more prudent to actually smell for smoke, feel for heat, look for flames.
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    I think the Religious Right's disregard towards global warming has little to do with scripture, and much to do with the political alliance between Protestants and unabridged capitalism. "The Protestant Ethic".

    Although the scripture that talks about The Rapture, and how Jesus will return to earth and take Christians with him back to Heaven, surely could be related to a disregard towards our petty earthly environment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    That's an important point to keep in mind: after all Christianity is 2000 years old while our modern political categories are only 300 years old(they date from the French Revolution).

    Trying to read Global Warming into Biblical prophecy is very much akin IMO to those who try to read 9/11 or the Iraq War, or anyother contemporary events into it. You really can't do that, and in some ways betrays the more perennial significance of such prophecies.
    If one assumes that Biblical prophecy is true, then it is perfectly reasonable to read recent events into it. While by terms of scientific logic contemporary events could not be "predicted" by the Bible, there is absolutely no reason to dismiss the possibility that someone who was actually conveying signs from God could see that far into the future. There's lots of stuff in the Bible about how thousands of years are a blink of an eye for God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    Also, I used to take a "futurist" view of scripture (Peter's and other's prophecies were yet future and literal), but the problem was, in many places, it was said to occur "soon", and the lost blatant example of this was Mat 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. We have tried to explain this away, with absolutely no success, and it just becomes another one of those things "we can't comprehend".
    I believe that passage comes right before the Mount of Transfiguration passage, so I originally intrepted that to refer to the Mount of Transfiguration where 3 disciples did see him in full glory. However it is probably more theologically consistent to say that his kingdom was heralded in by his death on the cross. In either case I don't see any problem with the prophecy in this passage.
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