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    Quote Originally Posted by Jewelchild View Post
    If you don't believe in psychics, "soul connections," etc, what would you do if someone you knew and trusted reported strange experiences that most people would call "psychic?" For instance, let's say you have a trusted, honest, respectable friend who is intelligent and doesn't call attention to himself, and he reports these types of experiences:

    -He met someone for the first time, and when they shook hands and made eye contact, your friend claimed to instantly perceive all sorts of personal details about this person's life. He mentioned some of them to you in confidence, and later found out they were true.
    Yeah, that's called people reading. Professional "psychics" do it all the time; they're trained to pick up on various cues in the way people present themselves upon first meeting someone. Typology can teach you a lot about this; sounds like the kid is at least somewhat intuitive.

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    -He had a feeling that something was coming in the mail on a specific day, after a long period of waiting and unknown delivery date, and mentioned it to you. The item did arrive that day.
    Either lucky or lying.

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    -Out of the blue, he was overwhelmed one night with sadness and negative feelings about an estranged family member. They hadn't spoken in 3 years, and he had no idea where the person was, nor had he thought about the person in a long time. He mentioned this experience to you. A week later, he checked his myspace account and discovered that the estranged family member was sending him a message at the exact time and date he'd had those overwhelming thoughts and feelings.
    Really, he wrote down the date and time? I'm not sure I'd believe this one to this degree of specificity. But it seems apparent that this guy is likely INFJ.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jewelchild View Post
    -He woke up in the middle of the night freaking out that he had to speak with his mother on the phone (his girlfriend can vouch for this fact) and later found out the mother was unexpectedly dying at the same time he was awake and disturbed that night.
    Anything other than anecdotal evidence that he told you was true?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jewelchild View Post
    If your trusted, respected friend consistently reported these types of experiences, would you still be skeptical, or would you chalk them up to something you can't explain? I'm curious what you'd think.
    I'd assume he's probably exaggerating the accuracy with which the dates and times were pinpointed. I'd also wonder how often he makes these kinds of predictions--if you make enough generalized predictions, some of them are bound to come true.

    Sometimes INFJs are so proud of their "seer" quality (strong Ni) that they get a little wrapped up in their own hype and start to think they truly can predict the future.

    The INFJ may not even consciously understand how it knows these things, but there are lots of subliminal cues and things that can add up into an intuitive "vision"--we'd need more specific details to apply this much to your friend in particular, but there's probably a reasonable explanation.
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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    I once had a dream about killing a bunny in a hit and car accident depite my best attempts to avoid the poor soul.

    That same day when I drove to work, I killed a bunny with my car despite my best attempts to avoid the poor soul.

    That is how I experience it however. But as I started to delve into this matter, and started to try and understand my dreams better after this incident. I came to realize I didn't kill a bunny in my dream at all. I merely had a dream that sparked off a similar emotion in most likely an abstract manner, and when I hit the bunny in real life I got reminded to that dream as if it had happened the way I just experienced it. The truth is, I don't know what the dream was really about.

    I think..

    Another fun thing, I've had numorous occasions where I felt the urge, for no reason at all, to open msn and check to see if someone is online. And as I open my msn window, that person just so happens to come online right at that time, and pops up right under my mouse, so all I need to do is double click. Happened at least 4 or 5 times. I think I'm just lucky. :P

    Next to that, I have distinct deja vu experiences every so often, once per two weeks on average if I had to guess. Seeing events I have a distinct familiarity with. As if it has happened before. But when I try to remember when it has happened before I draw a complete blank as if I don't have a sense of time in that memory.

    Either way, it's not special to me in any way. It does not seem useful in any way, so I really don't see a reason to care. Maybe there is a sort of connection on a physicality we don't understand. Sort of mind links that go through space time itself, or whatever. A relative link between people we know or events that have or have yet to occur.

    But quite frankly. Until I am capable of influencing that, I have no reason to be bothered by it.

    I also believe that if this is to be true, it is most certainly quantifiable and not some mumbo jumbo.
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    Another fun story.

    My father has a love for the forests around here and is and always have been a dedicated wandered around the forests, and as a hobby searching for deer antlers. One time, About 20 years ago he and a friend who was a nature photographer and painter met a psychic person. My father did not believe him but in jest gave him an antler. He had not found the other antler of the deer and was curious to know where the other antler was to be found. The psychic held the antler and started talking about what he saw. He saw a great fire and a particularly large oak tree.

    They shrugged it off and were like, yeah right. My father's friend found the other antler a few days later and told my father where he had found it. It was in a patch of forest with a lot of pine trees and one oak tree. About 20 yards from the oak tree.

    My father was also with the fire department before that time, and five years before, there had been a forest fire where his friend said to have found the antler.

    Whatever it is, I don't know. Maybe mere chance, maybe more to it. But if there's more to it, it doesn't mean it isn't quantifiable.

    My father believes his friend was just pulling his leg, as the artist he was, for the sake of trying to open his mind. Who knows, maybe it was just a con like that! We'll never know. :P
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    I wouldnt necessarily doubt the person' sincerity, but I would ascribe any supernatural powers to them, either.
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    My mother and both sisters have both had many of the kind of experience, either while conscious or dreaming, that is referred to in the OP. I was raised by an athiest, and adopted his world view, but I can't help but feel that there are many things about our nature that is not yet explainable by science. I can't throw away the possibility of some unseen connection between beings.
    I have had a few of those things happen to me in the last few years. I attribute it to a very strong intuition, and an acquired ability to suspend judgment.

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    They say deja vu is entirely produced by the person experiencing it. Its not real.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alwar View Post
    There are explanations for these phenomena. I wouldn't necessarily doubt the persons sincerity, but I would supernatural explanation. Here is a good video related to the topic.
    Very interesting stuff. I listened to a science podcast a little while ago that talked about an experiment with pilots passing out while flying, and some who were passed out the longest reported seeing the famed "light at the end of the tunnel" or having out of body type experiences. It's fascinating that science is finding explanations for some of these things.

    Quote Originally Posted by Amargith View Post
    He's a strongly developped empath and relies heavily on his intuition/gut reaction. A lot of pagans have these experiences too, you can train them as they are abilities within us ... Note: I do admit that there are a lot of wanna-be's and con men out there when it comes to these things as well.
    I appreciate your perspective on this topic, as well as your realization that a lot of this stuff can be false. (Not all the pagans I know are so realistic.) I always find the pagan perspective really fascinating, and it's interesting to think this ability is something that could be trained.

    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    Really, he wrote down the date and time? I'm not sure I'd believe this one to this degree of specificity. But it seems apparent that this guy is likely INFJ...

    I'd assume he's probably exaggerating the accuracy with which the dates and times were pinpointed. I'd also wonder how often he makes these kinds of predictions--if you make enough generalized predictions, some of them are bound to come true.
    He didn't note the time, but wrote about those sad feelings in a personal journal the evening they occurred. Didn't think anything unusual of it until the myspace message arrived. He knew the time because the feelings happened during a specific event, so he was able to recall the time when thinking back.

    This person doesn't tend to consciously make "predictions," as far as I can tell. It seems more like things happen and then there's a "Wow, that's weird," attitude when looking back upon events and their supposed foreshadowing. (It's not an INFJ, but the details about Ni are fascinating to me.)

    Quote Originally Posted by run View Post
    They say deja vu is entirely produced by the person experiencing it. Its not real.
    Quite respectfully, I'm wondering who you mean by "they," and if you have a link or any sort of further details. What you're saying sounds interesting, but I don't have enough information to even form an opinion on the subject or look into it further.
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    i don't think anything described in OP is beyond what humans are normally capable of..
    society just doesn't give much credence to that stuff...so most people don't identify with or become too consciously aware of those things ( maybe that's what i want to think because i have similar tendencies to your friend)..hm. still skeptical. like many have said, highly developed intuition helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jewelchild View Post
    Quite respectfully, I'm wondering who you mean by "they," and if you have a link or any sort of further details. What you're saying sounds interesting, but I don't have enough information to even form an opinion on the subject or look into it further.
    that was an INTP post. I saw it on tv (that sounds bad, i know). The Wikipedia agrees.

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    Seriously? Wikipedia and a vague reference to TV?

    When I said go easy on me, I didn't mean that easy.

    And yes, it was definitely an INTP post! (Except the INTP's I know would probably just say, "Insufficient information. FAIL.")

    Acquiring detailed information is one of the many helpful skills I've learned from my friendly neighborhood INTP.
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