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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    I have noticed that there is alot of people on this forum that claim to be an atheists and agnostics.


    So I am wondering how many of you are officially atheists and how many of you have decided to live as an atheists even if that is not what you are on the paper?
    Basicly the only thing I am asking is "How many of you dont belong to any religion on paper ?"

    Btw. why did you reject your religion ?
    I'm lutheran but not really believing one. More like I have lutheran habits of this country. I'm not atheist either. I'm closest to agnostic but I'm not entirely that either. The thing with me and religion is that I don't know and i havent' decided yet. Maybe I'll be a buddhist in the future or maybe I just am.

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    Individually I've never truly belonged to any religion. I have been baptized. My family is protestant. I'm not a 'real' atheist, I'm not averted to the idea of religion. I think it's fascinating and real. But I make sure I discover about it personally, and not to subscribe to anything outside of me (That's just for the framework, symbols etc). I wonder if that's basically the thing religion is about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A Schnitzel View Post
    You can take the square root of a real atheist.
    <3 Took the words right out my mouth!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    There is a reason why I have placed that "real" in quotation marks.
    Basicly the only thing I am asking is "How many of you dont belong to any religion (on paper) ?"

    That is not atheism.
    Buddhism does not believe in God. But it is still a religion/philosophy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curzon View Post

    That is not atheism.
    Buddhism does not believe in God. But it is still a religion/philosophy.
    Ok then.


    Did you get what I am actually asking ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curzon View Post

    That is not atheism.
    Buddhism does not believe in God. But it is still a religion/philosophy.
    I could be a Theravada Buddhist and still be atheist. In that context, "enlightenment" just means the highest peak of human understanding about our condition and the entrapment of our desires. The cycle of reincarnation is less about what happens after death than it is what happens during life (as you are born in some activity, hit your prime, then age and die in it, only to be reborn into some new activity).

    No need for any God in that context, and a-theos means "without god"

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    Thanks Curzon and onemoretime, I was going to say (but forgot) that I was atheist, but also somewhat Buddhist (wasn't any initiation rituals I can think of). Does this mean I don't qualify as "true"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    I could be a Theravada Buddhist and still be atheist. In that context, "enlightenment" just means the highest peak of human understanding about our condition and the entrapment of our desires. The cycle of reincarnation is less about what happens after death than it is what happens during life (as you are born in some activity, hit your prime, then age and die in it, only to be reborn into some new activity).

    No need for any God in that context, and a-theos means "without god"
    True that what you say.

    but it should be noted that Buddha himself had said that there are Gods/devas.
    But they do not influence nor are they the ultimate judges of the universe.
    And he has also told that Devas can't help you (send you to heaven.)
    According to Buddhism there are worlds in which Devas live.

    BUT THEY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ENLIGHTENMENT.

    And according to Buddha knowing and worshiping them would not help you attain enlightenment (understand nirvana/enlightenment) or send you to heaven as mentioned above.

    Ps - He has also told that there are other planets which are occupied by sentient being and higher intelligent beings (like humans.)

    Which basically means that aliens exist.
    Gooooooooooooooo Star Trek.

    Quote Originally Posted by Colors View Post
    Thanks Curzon and onemoretime, I was going to say (but forgot) that I was atheist, but also somewhat Buddhist (wasn't any initiation rituals I can think of). Does this mean I don't qualify as "true"?
    Believing in the existence of god/gods or non-belief does not disqualify you from being a Buddhist. If that is what you are trying to ask me. Not very clear.

    There are no conversion rituals in Buddhism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Usually an atheist doesn't worship a particular god.

    So there are christian atheists, and hindu atheists and judaic atheists and muslim atheists. And there are atheists who don't worship Zeus or Poseidon.

    So atheism is dependent on a particular god.

    I mean which god don't you worship?

    What kind of atheist are you?
    I'm sure you think you sound deep and wise but nope, I'm only hoping you don't take this pretentious babble you spread around the place too seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nihilen View Post
    I'm sure you think you sound deep and wise but nope, I'm only hoping you don't take this pretentious babble you spread around the place too seriously.
    What are you trying to say? He does have a point.
    You become an atheist only if once upon a time you used to (forced to and threatened to and blackmailed) to believe in a God and when you stop believing in Him.
    So yeah you become an Atheist once you stop worshiping.

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