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    Quote Originally Posted by Oom View Post

    AO, which country do you live in to have 90% of all people be catholic? Ireland?
    Croatia. But for only 30-40% you can say that they trully believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    I think we should again consider that not everyone operates the same way. We are a type site, we need to remember that different personalities prioritize different things in life.

    For types that instinctive collect information and then make internal judgments based on the essence of that data, changing one's religious beliefs is far simpler than for a personality type that is imprinted by the original worldview and then has values like loyalty, faithfulness, family unity, and similar things being prioritized with basically evaluate one's behavior in conformance with the original worldview.

    The difference in priorities (from the perspective of the individual personality) helps to explain in part why some people grow up and end up leaving or rejecting the religion they were taught and why others end up remaining or even finding and clinging to it.

    So in regards to the quote above, you might believe that adults are indeed "choosing" their worldview; I am proposing that, while I think that is at core the responsibility of every adult (and they are indeed "choosing" it), the anxiety they would face at rejecting it is FAR more than anxiety I might have felt or some other evaluative-style personality might have felt. Our personalities are geared to evaluate, then accept/reject based on data, our foundation is located within the evaluation process itself and not necessarily the outcome, we trust our PROCESS; but if you're a personality who only has one way of viewing the world and godliness is based on being faithful to it and you can't SEE another, it's nearly impossible to rise above the anxiety of casting it aside and not being able to trust your PERCEPTION. What would take its place?
    They not only tell us MBTI is destiny but that VAKOG is also destiny.

    But there is no empirical evidence supporting MBTI or VAKOG whatsoever.

    MBTI means of course Myers Briggs Type Indicator. And VAKOG means visual, auditory, kinesthetic, olfactory and gustatory, otherwise known as Neuro Linguistic Programming (NLP).

    But MBTI is relentlessly pushed here in spite of the lack of evidence because it is a cult. And the cult mavens use this site to recruit school girls and school boys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    They not only tell us MBTI is destiny but that VAKOG is also destiny.

    But there is no empirical evidence supporting MBTI or VAKOG whatsoever.

    MBTI means of course Myers Briggs Type Indicator. And VAKOG means visual, auditory, kinesthetic, olfactory and gustatory, otherwise known as Neuro Linguistic Programming (NLP).

    But MBTI is relentlessly pushed here in spite of the lack of evidence because it is a cult. And the cult mavens use this site to recruit school girls and school boys.
    Soooooo... why are you here, then? You've never been the most zealous promoter of empiricism.

    When have we talked about destiny? It seems most of the discussion is about the differences in the way people think about things, combined with the regular message board chit-chat. The main subject is acceptance, not predestination.

    So what makes you more correct than the rest of us?

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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    You've never been the most zealous promoter of empiricism.
    Belief and reason are two sides of the same revolutionary coin.

    And as France and the United States are both revolutionary societies, it is no surprise to find that the United States believes and France reasons.

    Of course belief and reason appear to be at loggerheads but they are only different sides to the same coin.

    To find a different currency you need to look beyond revolutionary societies to a society created by the Enlightenment. And of course such a society is my own.

    And whereas France and the United States are societies of belief and reason, my society is empirical.

    In France they ask, what is the reason. And in the United States they ask, what do you believe. And in Oz we ask, does it work.

    So the French are rational. The Americans are believers. And we are empiricists.

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    I was baptized in the Catholic church, went through the whole process of indoctrination (confession, communion, taught catechism, etc). I am now agnostic due to personal experiences observing the hypocrisy and cruelty of the church, not to mention vast research into the tenets and history of the church. I continue to be mortified with the sexual abuse tragedy that was perpetrated and covered up by clergy, and their inhumane policies regarding birth control. I met a woman in South America who had 23 children (many obviously died in infancy) because birth control wasn't allowed--now that is insane.

    Watch The Magdalene Sisters to get your fill of God's benevolence. I believe organized religions have been the source of so much pain and death, how could anyone with a conscience not question their value and question the foundation they are built on?
    I've looked at life from both sides now
    From up and down and still somehow
    It's life's illusions I recall
    I really don't know life at all

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    I am an atheist and proud of it. I believe I always have been an atheist even as a kid. Plus, my parents: are really cool and never made us go to church and let us think for ourselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by statuesquechica View Post
    I believe organized religions have been the source of so much pain and death, how could anyone with a conscience not question their value and question the foundation they are built on?
    You and Ayaan Hirsi Ali have questioned and left your religions.

    And just yesterday in Melbourne Australia we arrested another large number of Islamists prepared and on the point of murdering a large number of their fellow Australians.

    The Islamists, living amongst us, plan to murder us as part of the global jihad. They have been brought before our Criminal Courts with the best Defence available. And if convicted, will join the many other Islamic mass murderers in our jails.

    Ayaan Hirsi Ali, along with you, has rejected her religion. And Ayaan now publicly describes herself as an atheist.

    Unfortunately her fellow muslims have declared her an apostate and a death sentence has been passed upon her. And Ayaan has been forced to leave her country, Holland, where she was an elected member of parliament, and seek refuge abroad. And even there Ayaan must live under constant strict security.

    Both you and Ayaan have left your religions. But no catholics are trying to murder you while Ayaan lives in constant fear of her life from muslims.

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    ^That is terrible. Once again showing how irrational religion and its followers can be and perpetrate the most heinous crimes in the name of their god.
    I've looked at life from both sides now
    From up and down and still somehow
    It's life's illusions I recall
    I really don't know life at all

    Joni Mitchell

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    And by perpetuating the lie of Moral Equivalence, you betray Ayaan Hirsi Ali to the Islamists.
    Hmm, I in no way compared my situation to hers...there is no equivalence. I simply said it was terrible, and it is.
    I've looked at life from both sides now
    From up and down and still somehow
    It's life's illusions I recall
    I really don't know life at all

    Joni Mitchell

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