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    I didn't think AO's point was hard to understand either.
    I thought he was asking what religion are you "officially" and do you currently "practise" stated religion. If not, why not? I didn't detect any tone of elitism. Just a request for info.

    To answer the op, I'm not athetist...I'm an agnostic (does that disqualify me), who is officially Presbyterian, and semi-officially Baptist (was "born again" at 15).
    The reason I don't "practise" is for what is essentially a fringe organisation these days (or at least in the contries I have resided in) they have questionable moral practises, and can be down right hypocritical, and I detest the amount of conformatity that is imposed with the community.
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    My parents are die-hard atheists and raised me that way. I don't think I'm such of a die-hard atheist, I'm open for other things as well.
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    Agnostic. Simply, the emotional appeal of religion was dwarfed by the realization that there is no way to prove the existence of a god(s). In the end, logic won.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    Basicly the only thing I am asking is "How many of you dont belong to any religion on paper ?"
    *raises hand*

    I have not belonged to any religion, and consider myself a teapot agnostic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    Btw. why did you reject your religion ?
    There was none to reject.

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    Usually an atheist doesn't worship a particular god.

    So there are christian atheists, and hindu atheists and judaic atheists and muslim atheists. And there are atheists who don't worship Zeus or Poseidon.

    So atheism is dependent on a particular god.

    I mean which god don't you worship?

    What kind of atheist are you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Usually an atheist doesn't worship a particular god.

    So there are christian atheists, and hindu atheists and judaic atheists and muslim atheists. And there are atheists who don't worship Zeus or Poseidon.

    So atheism is dependent on a particular god.

    I mean which god don't you worship?

    What kind of atheist are you?
    Well... usually an atheist, by definition, doesn't worship any of them, so I cannot answer questions based on a false premise. Where are you getting this idea of only rejecting one god to be an atheist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colors View Post
    I always wonder, AO. As an atheist, do I act so different as I would if I believed in a god? I don't think so. I have greater belief in my moral fiber than that.

    What religion is there to reject? People aren't born believing in the Bible, the Koran, etc. They are taught. Certainly on the physical level, they can be forced into the status quo of religious ritual.

    And maybe when they are too young to learn fully/ to truly knowlingly accept religion into their life it is just the only path that appears to unveil before the, but as adults, I think people choose to include religion into their lives.

    But maybe I'm strange. I think most people consider "believing in God/religion" as a state of being, a default that doesn't change once you set the "mode". I think that it has to be nurtured, otherwise it is in name only and not in reality.
    Well of course not, see, there's no such as thing as inductively piecing together an intuitively reasonable and consistent moral code of your own.

    No no, that won't do at all, you need ABSOLUTE DEFINITE CERTAINTY that not only are all of your moral beliefs incontrovertibly true, fundamental properties of the universe, but also that you'll be rewarded by a payoff ratio of Infinity:1 in the afterlife after you die for following them.


    I'm well aware that logical consistency isn't the point, so I respect religion for the feeling of comfort and safety that it brings many people. Fair enough, but...when you poke a bee hive with a stick, the godless little heathen bees inside are going to exercise a lot less restraint in stinging you.

    Is anybody getting why it's intuitively obvious that literal interpretation of religion is absurd?
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    There's no need for a supreme being in my conceptualization of the universe. I think that's what atheism actually is - a deity simply not being. Within the Eastern context, I'd say that God is mu or wu.

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    I'm christian by baptism and am atheistic. Have been since 9 or so.

    My views on religion and mainly christians are based on the fact that many of the die hard christians I encountered when growing up were rude and shameless about pushing their ideals upon anyone they wanted to. Sort of like how I dislike door to door salesmanship and I would never participate in those "sell stuff to your neighbors" things at school. Intruding on people and their time is one of the rudest actions I can think of that is socially acceptable.

    The bad thing is that I tend to lean towards nihilism, which is something I don't like. I'd love terribly for something to believe in.

    AO, which country do you live in to have 90% of all people be catholic? Ireland?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colors View Post
    And maybe when they are too young to learn fully/ to truly knowlingly accept religion into their life it is just the only path that appears to unveil before the, but as adults, I think people choose to include religion into their lives.
    I think we should again consider that not everyone operates the same way. We are a type site, we need to remember that different personalities prioritize different things in life.

    For types that instinctive collect information and then make internal judgments based on the essence of that data, changing one's religious beliefs is far simpler than for a personality type that is imprinted by the original worldview and then has values like loyalty, faithfulness, family unity, and similar things being prioritized with basically evaluate one's behavior in conformance with the original worldview.

    The difference in priorities (from the perspective of the individual personality) helps to explain in part why some people grow up and end up leaving or rejecting the religion they were taught and why others end up remaining or even finding and clinging to it.

    So in regards to the quote above, you might believe that adults are indeed "choosing" their worldview; I am proposing that, while I think that is at core the responsibility of every adult (and they are indeed "choosing" it), the anxiety they would face at rejecting it is FAR more than anxiety I might have felt or some other evaluative-style personality might have felt. Our personalities are geared to evaluate, then accept/reject based on data, our foundation is located within the evaluation process itself and not necessarily the outcome, we trust our PROCESS; but if you're a personality who only has one way of viewing the world and godliness is based on being faithful to it and you can't SEE another, it's nearly impossible to rise above the anxiety of casting it aside and not being able to trust your PERCEPTION. What would take its place?
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