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    I was baptized into a church at age 9, and my name might still be on the books. I thought about writing in to have it taken off, but it might stir up more contention than it is worth. I think they will eventually take me off if I never pay tithe. I don't believe the teachings of that religion anymore and don't act according to its laws or customs. Actively rejecting a religion might in some cases make for a more authentic "agnostic/atheist" because it requires a bit more commitment than to simply never have been involved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nozflubber View Post
    "real"... atheist, as opposed to a fake/phony one?? Neither, I'm not an atheist, but I don't believe in God because I don't have to.
    Heard of strong and weak atheism? Weak atheism being a default abscence of belief in god/s?



    In reply to the OP, I do not belong to any religion on paper. So yes, I am a real atheist.

    I guess I never rejected 'my religion' exactly, because I also have never really been religious. I was raised in a family that isn't concerned with religion, so I never received any pressure from them to be religious. I did get influenced by society a bit- everyone seems to be Christian, so maybe I should be too kind of thing- as well as a couple of missionary-esque friends, which made me go through a few wanting to become a Christian phases. Luckily I got over them- they were just phases- and the reading of a certain book (cough..God Delusion..) ensured I'd never enter such a phase again- I realised there were other people who had the same doubts I'd always had- smart people! - I felt I had always been an atheist and never known it.. it was like finding my destiny...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    I am sorry if I am too vague. Which is probably because of cultural differences. In my country it was completely normal to have lists of religious people in the times od communism. So asking "What are you on the paper?" stayed as a phrase to this day.

    I am simply not familiar about how you do things in the US.

    What I am asking how many of you never got baptised or whatever the first ritual in other religions is.
    Ah, you learn something new every day. That's really interesting, thanks AO. I wonder how many people would stop being "default" religious if it were that disadvantageous to them. (And how many would stop being "default" non-religious.) I don't even know for myself.

    I suppose there is that to some degree in the US (because we have connections with people in the world, and we want those people to have certain images of us)- but not to that formalized extent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    I have noticed that there is alot of people on this forum that claim to be an atheists and agnostics.


    So I am wondering how many of you are officially atheists and how many of you have decided to live as an atheists even if that is not what you are on the paper?
    Basicly the only thing I am asking is "How many of you dont belong to any religion on paper ?"



    Btw. why did you reject your religion ?
    I was christian (hervormd, no idea what it's called in english) 'on paper' until I was 22, even though I rejected the religion when I was like 12 or something. Or well, I never really embraced any religion.
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    My religion is Catholic on paper. I was baptised, participated in communion, had one confession (which was hilarious because I made stuff up), attended Catholic school for a short while which was adjacent to a church, and 'studied' theology on Sundays. My family was very religious. They used to invite preists over. Not to mention my granmother was a nun for a short while and one of my uncles went to seminary school (he didn't finish). Today I do not attend church or any other religious social function. Nor do I believe in any religious doctrine. Sometimes I will list myself as agnostic for the religious ambiguity but really I'm atheist.

    To be honest I could never believe in any of it. I remember wanting to ask someone before communion, "Is it ethical to practice cannibalism? Don't you think the idea of eating Jesus' flesh and drinking his blood a bit nasty? Why did he suggest this in the first place? Seriously, that's kind of messed up." I held my tongue though. The more I educated myself on Christianity the more illogical I found it to be. I mostly followed it so that I could please my family. I searched for wisdom in other religions but found them a bit lacking too. Probably the most reasonable religion to me is Buddhism.

    What are you on paper AO?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shaula View Post
    My religion is Catholic on paper. I was baptised, participated in communion, had one confession (which was hilarious because I made stuff up), attended Catholic school for a short while which was adjacent to a church, and 'studied' theology on Sundays. My family was very religious. They used to invite preists over. Not to mention my granmother was a nun for a short while and one of my uncles went to seminary school (he didn't finish). Today I do not attend church or any other religious social function. Nor do I believe in any religious doctrine. Sometimes I will list myself as agnostic for the religious ambiguity but really I'm atheist.

    To be honest I could never believe in any of it. I remember wanting to ask someone before communion, "Is it ethical to practice cannibalism? Don't you think the idea of eating Jesus' flesh and drinking his blood a bit nasty? Why did he suggest this in the first place? Seriously, that's kind of messed up." I held my tongue though. The more I educated myself on Christianity the more illogical I found it to be. I mostly followed it so that I could please my family. I searched for wisdom in other religions but found them a bit lacking too. Probably the most reasonable religion to me is Buddhism.

    What are you on paper AO?
    This describes my experience pretty much exactly.

    Raised by devout catholic grandmother
    went through all the rituals
    attended jesuit high school
    know quite a bit about jesus
    still interested in christianity from an analytical perspective
    never believed in God
    wails from the crypt.

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    The problem is a simple one -

    There has never been a civilization not based on a religion.

    So to slope off and say, "I am an atheist", begs the question.

    So all we are doing is sipping our atheist cocktail while ignoring the elephant in the room.

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    As long as the Elephant doesn't come with maintenance costs, I'll have little trouble ignoring it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffywolf View Post
    As long as the Elephant doesn't come with maintenance costs, I'll have little trouble ignoring it.
    Unfortunately mate, the elephant regards you as a dhimmi to be dominated, or an infidel to be converted or killed.

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    Darnit. I'll best buy the biggest gun available for the sole protection of freedom and right to live.

    How I enjoy serving you posts filled with irony on which you can completely live yourself out.
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