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    Default Open Mindedness vs. Close Mindedness

    To people who are halfway intelligent on this forum - I'm in need of some advice or at least an outside view. Tell me in your own words the difference between close mindedness vs. open mindedness.

    Bonus points if it is lengthy and makes me think.
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    How about bonus points for a video?

    Well, either way, I find myself agreeing with the perspectives of this video.

    YouTube - Open-mindedness

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    Quote Originally Posted by dotdalidot View Post
    How about bonus points for a video?

    Well, either way, I find myself agreeing with the perspectives of this video.

    YouTube - Open-mindedness
    Insightful and brilliant. Respect +1
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    Quote Originally Posted by FC3S View Post
    To people who are halfway intelligent on this forum - I'm in need of some advice or at least an outside view. Tell me in your own words the difference between close mindedness vs. open mindedness.

    Bonus points if it is lengthy and makes me think.
    If you won't do something wrong, they accuse you of being close minded.

    Just as if you don't agree with their call, they call you judgmental.

    Both are examples of emotional blackmail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    If you won't do something wrong, they accuse you of being close minded.

    Just as if you don't agree with their call, they call you judgmental.

    Both are examples of emotional blackmail.
    I have my own words for this, I call it imposed thought projection.

    Do tell me more about emotional blackmail.
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    I think when dealing with this subject it might be best to think in terms of a spectrum.

    At one side lies close mindedness, the state of perfect separation from the external ideological world, and on the other side open mindedness, the state of perfect separation from the internal preferences and dogmas.

    Either of these states is very desirable if the development of strong and resilient ideas is your goal. However, both of these states are incredibly difficult if not impossible to attain.

    Why are these states desirable?
    Both of them ensure that your information is drawn from a reliable source.

    Closeminded:
    If all your information is drawn from an internal source, then it will only relate to your personal experiences and concepts. This will totally erase the problem of semantics which plague philosophy. Justice in your thoughts will always be justice in your understanding, you will never have to deal with the ideas others have assigned to justice and therefore never be derailed by their seemingly senseless philosophy.

    If you are purely close minded, you will not judge external ideologies based on their applicability to the situations of others, but only how they can serve yourself. This way you will be free from the seductive effect of popular success. You will not seek to be a doctor simply because being a doctor has proven beneficial to others, you will seek to be a doctor because being a doctor aligns itself perfectly with your values.

    Openminded:
    If you do not value the information that is produced by your subjective experiences any more than that produced by the experiences of others, and also value the experiences of others in perfect balance then you will be free of the dangers of favouritism. (long sentence haha)

    Awareness of the interdependency of all things and the essential unity of existence is a result of openmindedness. Things are not judged according to the emotional response they generate, they are judged only according to their usefulness, They are not judged based on prior predjudice but according to their effects.

    Why are these states difficult to reach?


    Closedminded:
    To completely rely on the self and reap it's benefits, a person must have relied on himself since the conception of his first ideas. If this self reliance is attained prior to the adoption of ideas from external minds then it will only serve to protect ideas which suffer from semantic uncertainty.
    Since it is improbable to have this stance at birth, the person must therefore purge himself of all ideas and start from scratch. This is very difficult and I think a good example of it not succeeding is Descartes.

    Openminded:
    The negation of the personal drive is difficult to acchieve. This negation is a necessary aspect of perfect openmindedness. The emotional desire to propogate the self will always conflict with neutrality of information. However the heightened awareness of unity of existence weakens the sense of self and therefore makes aquisition of goals incredibly difficult.

    The result is essentially a battle of reason and biological imperative which is unlikely to provide any of the peace that the open minded wish to obtain.

    Can the self ever be valued on an even level with the external? I don't know.

    Anything else?

    I think most people find themselves somewhere in the middle, people who consider themselves open minded really just look for what will serve them best in everything and people who are called closedminded really just don't see a benefit to accepting useless information.



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    Close-minded: if you think that you are right and other person are wrong when you guys are talking about ideas, principles, opinions, or theories.

    Open-minded: If someone insult you and you didn't find it insulting, but yet you understand why he/she insult you.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FC3S View Post
    To people who are halfway intelligent on this forum - I'm in need of some advice or at least an outside view. Tell me in your own words the difference between close mindedness vs. open mindedness.

    Bonus points if it is lengthy and makes me think.
    Fairmindedness is equal to open mindedness.

    Fair-mindedness is the corner-stone of CT (Critical Thinking). Without fair-mindedness there is no Critical Thinking.

    To be fair-minded one must be vigilant (consciousness plus intention) of the need to treat all viewpoints alike. This demands that we adhere to intellectual standards such as accuracy and sound reasoning, which are unaffected by self-interest.

    A contrast with fair-mindedness is intellectual self-centeredness.

    Fair-mindedness is a challenging task that demands a family of character traits: intellectual humility, courage, empathy, honesty, perseverance, and a confidence in the value of reason.

    Our culture places maximum value not on fair-mindedness but upon self-interest, and maximizing production, and consumption.


    Intellectual humility begins with the recognition that absolute certainty regarding any matter of fact is beyond human capacity. There exists no mind-independent reality that we have the capacity to know. We can know only that which is “colored” by our experiences and historical perspective.

    Our common sense views, coupled with philosophical tradition and religious dogma, all teach us that such is not the case, that we can find absolute certainty. This cultural tradition works aggressively against our goal of intellectual humility thus demanding that we must become more intellectually sophisticated in order to gain the level of intellectual humility required.

    Intellectual courage is a difficult assignment. We all tend to place great value on our own opinion, which is more often than not just something that we grabbed as it flew by. But this is even more of a problem when we are “wedded” to something that we have a strong commitment to, for what ever reason. Our political affiliation is one example.

    Intellectual courage is especially difficult, and even dangerous to our well being when we hold ideas that society considers them to be dangerous; even though we are confident that they are rationally grounded. Society often punishes severely all forms of nonconformity; the execution of Socrates by the citizens of Athens might serve as a good example.

    By developing this character trait of intellectual courage we will often be ostracized from a group or even a large community. Such an experience will give us incentive to recognize that most people live their lives in such a manner as to be secure in the middle of the approval of those about us.

    Intellectual courage ain’t for sissies!

    Intellectual empathy is a consciousness that one must engage the imagination in an effort to intellectually place your self into the shoes of another so as to comprehend that other person as well as possible. To accomplish this transaction we must try to learn as much as possible about the other person’s situation so as to reconstruct that person’s assumptions, premises, and ideas.

    It appears to me that civilization is presently constructed on the firm foundation of baked-in bias, that is to say that religion forms the foundation of today’s civilization. If this is correct one might ask the question ‘can we construct a world on a foundation of reason when we begin with a world where the understanding of and confidence in reason is seldom observed’?

    Many of these ideas were gleaned from the book Critical Thinking: Tools for Taking Charge of Your Professional and Personal Life by Richard Paul and Linda Elder

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    Quote Originally Posted by WickedQueen View Post
    Close-minded: if you think that you are right and other person are wrong when you guys are talking about ideas, principles, opinions, or theories.
    What if you actually are right? Does that make you closed minded?

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    Quote Originally Posted by laughingebony View Post

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    Originally Posted by WickedQueen View Post
    Close-minded: if you think that you are right and other person are wrong when you guys are talking about ideas, principles, opinions, or theories.
    What if you actually are right? Does that make you closed minded?
    There are no right or wrong when you're talking about ideas, principles, opinions, or theories.


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