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Thread: Free Will, does it exist?

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    For those who just want the summary of this discussion:

    ygolo: Define "free will."
    Oberon: Beats me.
    BlueWing: Define "we."
    Nocture: Oxymoron!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    For those who just want the summary of this discussion:

    ygolo: Define "free will."
    Oberon: Beats me.
    BlueWing: Define "we."
    Nocture: Oxymoron!
    Plus one more step:

    Jennifer: You guys crack me up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    Plus one more step:

    Jennifer: You guys crack me up.


    (Of course, you had no choice but to make that joke.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post


    (Of course, you had no choice but to make that joke.)
    I agree, it was fated to happen.

    (And if I ever punch you in the nose, that was fate too. Not that I mean to...I'm just sayin'...)

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    My denomination offers services at no charge in regards to how and whom I will leave my possessions after I die. It was a "free will" and yes it does exist, even if it seems too good to be true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ygolo View Post
    Since you an BlueWing seem to be the philoshophy buffs on this forum, how would you define "Free Will"?
    Free will is the ability to generate causation from within the agent and not from the outside.

    First we have to define the agent. Since we are referring to the question of whether humans have free will, we should define the 'self'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWing View Post
    First we have to define the agent. Since we are referring to the question of whether humans have free will, we should define the 'self'.
    'Self' is the thing that says "Ouch!" when I stub my toe, but remains silent when you stub yours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    'Self' is the thing that says "Ouch!" when I stub my toe, but remains silent when you stub yours.
    Unless they're an xSFJ, whereupon they either rush over and coddle you and wrap your toe lovingly in bandages, or they ridicule you and say, "How many times have I TOLD you to be careful when walking there?"

    To be more serious, the boundaries around the self (i.e., what another person includes within their boundaries of self) determines empathic reaction. I do not know how that jiggers up "free will," though.

    [BTW, Laser, your joke was awful. Which is why I laughed.]
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Unless they're an xSFJ, whereupon they either rush over and coddle you and wrap your toe lovingly in bandages, or they ridicule you and say, "How many times have I TOLD you to be careful when walking there?"
    ...neither of which is "Ouch!"

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    I am one of the three people (so far) who have voted that free will does not exist. My brother has a Ph.D. in physics and says that the particle-level stuff is irrelevant on higher levels.

    I'm cool with being a biological machine.

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