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    Unrelated to the ongoing exchange here, this is my opinion on Christianity.

    I have nothing but contempt for it. No matter how awesome Jesus may or may not have been, His followers have spread nothing but disease, slavery, and war.

    Think of all the voices in the early church, and how they disagree.
    Think of that the fact that the Bible was made by committee, ordered to action by a Pagan Emperor.
    Think of the rivers of ink and seas of blood wasted on the "mystery of the trinity".
    Think of the wars waged over the word of God.
    Think of the children raped by "men of God"
    And they want us to call it "God's love"

    I have nothing but contempt for Christianity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qre:us View Post
    Onus of proof only works if you understand the argument put forth, and I'm not yet convinced that you even understand what my argument is. Hence, me trying to establish that first.

    As when I gave proof - neuronal plasticity....you bypassed that, making me infer you didn't understand the argument so no amount of proof would work, would it?
    You are right to not be convinced. I don't understand. And a phrase, or a vague reference to some sort of study on children that you gave no details of is not proof anyway. What I asked is how YOU know the statement you made about ideas having to come from outside is true, and you never answered that question.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Son of the Damned View Post
    I have nothing but contempt for it. No matter how awesome Jesus may or may not have been, His followers have spread nothing but disease, slavery, and war.
    That is factually untrue. Many of His followers have provided food to the hungry, medicine to the sick, shelter to the displaced, comfort to the traumatized, the elderly, and the disabled. Countless hours have been spent by Christians in the service of others, demonstrating the selfless love that Christ directed us to show to our neighbor. You cannot ignore all the good that has been done in the name of Jesus if you are going to point out the bad that has been done.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    You are right to not be convinced. I don't understand. And a phrase, or a vague reference to some sort of study on children that you gave no details of is not proof anyway. What I asked is how YOU know the statement you made about ideas having to come from outside is true, and you never answered that question.
    Never said ideas have to come from the outside, that doesn't even make sense...again that's not my argument.

    It's simply that any idea cannot have come out of 'thin air'...it had to be built on a context, a base, an association.

    For example, the reason this whole conversation came up is me challenging that god could be found from within without outside influence (as proposed by Night). And, I said, be it god or any concept, that's simply not a reality...as there had to be some base for one to even question 'god'. Someone told you about the concept of god for you to even begin contemplating about it. Someone must have died for you to even understand/contemplate what death is. As an isolated system, you living is not enough to know that you are alive and that you will die. You cannot know it 'out of thin air'...there had to be a context from which it arose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    That is factually untrue. Many of His followers have provided food to the hungry, medicine to the sick, shelter to the displaced, comfort to the traumatized, the elderly, and the disabled. Countless hours have been spent by Christians in the service of others, demonstrating the selfless love that Christ directed us to show to our neighbor. You cannot ignore all the good that has been done in the name of Jesus if you are going to point out the bad that has been done.
    You're going to compare the number of people helped by Christian charitable work to the numbers killed by Christians throughout the centuries?
    I like to rock n' roll all night and *part* of every day. I usually have errands... I can only rock from like 1-3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qre:us View Post
    Never said ideas have to come from the outside, that doesn't even make sense...again that's not my argument.

    It's simply that any idea cannot have come out of 'thin air'...it had to be built on a context, a base, an association.

    For example, the reason this whole conversation came up is me challenging that god could be found from within without outside influence (as proposed by Night). And, I said, be it god or any concept, that's simply not a reality...as there had to be some base for one to even question 'god'. Someone told you about the concept of god for you to even begin contemplating about it. Someone must have died for you to even understand/contemplate what death is. As an isolated system, you living is not enough to know that you are alive and that you will die. You cannot know it 'out of thin air'...there had to be a context from which it arose.
    That's what I meant by "outside." And my belief is that you can't know one way or the other whether the mind can create things out of thin air if not exposed to the "stimuli" you referred to. Anything that anybody learns from outside influences, well somebody had to be the first one to come up with whatever that was. So at some point, there had to be "out of thin air" ideas, unless God just told us stuff from the start the way the literal Bible interpretations seem to imply.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ceecee View Post
    You're going to compare the number of people helped by Christian charitable work to the numbers killed by Christians throughout the centuries?
    Exact numbers aren't the issue. He said that followers of Jesus had spread NOTHING but "disease, slavery, and war." Obviously that isn't true. Those who wish to kill will always find a reason, and distorting the teachings of a faith to justify it is a convenient way to do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    That's what I meant by "outside." And my belief is that you can't know one way or the other whether the mind can create things out of thin air if not exposed to the "stimuli" you referred to. Anything that anybody learns from outside influences, well somebody had to be the first one to come up with whatever that was. So at some point, there had to be "out of thin air" ideas, unless God just told us stuff from the start the way the literal Bible interpretations seem to imply.
    Even those 'out of thin air' had a context. Nothing is without context. Except...nothing (and even this concept has a context, that which is an opposite of *something*). Being first to come up with something does not negate my argument...it's not even relevant to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Son of the Damned View Post
    Think of the rivers of ink and seas of blood wasted on the "mystery of the trinity".
    Think of the wars waged over the word of God.
    Think of the children raped by "men of God"
    And they want us to call it "God's love"

    I have nothing but contempt for Christianity.


    Christopher Hitchens, in his book "God is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything", argues that religion takes racial and cultural differences and aggravates them. The statement is fair but fails to recognize that there have also been societies which produced massive violence against its own people without the influence of religion (i.e. Communist Russian, Chinese, and Cambodian regimes, and the French Revolution)
    Alister McGrath points out that when the idea of God is gone, a society will still "transcendentalize" something else... some other concept, in order to appear morally and spiritually superior.


    When people do injustice in the name of Christ they are not being true to the spirit of the one who himself died as a victim of injustice and called for the forgiveness of his enemies.

    The people who are fanatics within the Christian faith are those who are not committed enough to the gospel.
    The Pharisees are a good example of those who were not committed to the gospel but rather to moral improvement. This naturally resulted in feelings of superiority and to various forms of abuse, exclusion, and oppression.
    Therefore, for Christians, the answer is not to tone down and moderate their faith, but to grasp a fuller and truer faith in Christ.


    I share your contempt for the injustice and evil done in the name of Christ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ceecee View Post
    You're going to compare the number of people helped by Christian charitable work to the numbers killed by Christians throughout the centuries?
    Yeah, that's not exactly biblical... at all.

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