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    Plumage and Moult proteanmix's Avatar
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    Default What's the difference between healthy self-esteem and narcissism?

    I don't want this to be limited to characteristics that are conspicuous, like someone walking around like they're a diva barking at people like they're servants. It's a mindset of better than even if it's held quietly to oneself.

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    All of these concepts are buildings blocks to a healthy view of self but where is the line between confidence and bloated self-importance?
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    One strives towards self-understanding and acceptance. The other strives for self-domination.

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    Just some thoughts:

    1. healthy self confidence should be based on something real - i.e. real qualities - i.e. not just thinking you're super

    2. healthy self confidence, imo, recognizes one's own relative insignificance - narcissism doesn't, at all
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kangirl View Post
    Just some thoughts:

    1. healthy self confidence should be based on something real - i.e. real qualities - i.e. not just thinking you're super

    2. healthy self confidence, imo, recognizes one's own relative insignificance - narcissism doesn't, at all
    In other words, the contrast between being the person you WANT to be and being the person you actually ARE.

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    Healthy self-esteem is confidence while recognizing one's place in the world. Narcissism is needing to believe one is the center of the world while lacking real confidence.
    "Create like a god, command like a king, work like a slave."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Synarch View Post
    Narcissism is needing to believe one is the center of the world while lacking real confidence.
    In other words, the ENTP speciality!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kangirl View Post
    1. healthy self confidence should be based on something real - i.e. real qualities - i.e. not just thinking you're super
    I say fake it till ya make it.

    I'm super.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    In other words, the ENTP speciality!
    You have a point, though you are trying to be arch.

    Unhealthy ENXP's are prone to compensatory narcissism. They sometimes have diffuse egos that are very fragile. Typically, the more extraverted they are, the more fragile. They respond to this fragility with anxiety which can compel them to find support in the external world of people to reinforce their self-image, which they cannot do themselves. They truly NEED people to like them.
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    Nacarissm seeks people's approval. while self-esteem does not.
    The fear of poverty turns people into slaves of money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    In other words, the ENTP speciality!
    No.

    Quote Originally Posted by Synarch View Post
    Unhealthy ENXP's are prone to compensatory narcissism. They sometimes have diffuse egos that are very fragile. Typically, the more extraverted they are, the more fragile. They respond to this fragility with anxiety which can compel them to find support in the external world of people to reinforce their self-image, which they cannot do themselves. They truly NEED people to like them.
    Everyone has a need to be liked. Extroverts express that need more than others.

    Self esteem is actually liking yourself.
    But narcissism is much more than a need to be liked.
    Narcissism is like being stuck at age 2 - never realizing that other people are entities separate from yourself. Never realizing that other people can feel and have their own thoughts and are not just toys and playthings.

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