User Tag List

First 1234 Last

Results 11 to 20 of 41

  1. #11
    @.~*virinaĉo*~.@ Totenkindly's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    MBTI
    FREE
    Enneagram
    594 sx/sp
    Socionics
    LII Ne
    Posts
    42,333

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Into It View Post
    Believers of a specific God, I ask you:
    If I were able to prove that your God did not exist, would you want to know?
    The question is so hypothetical (since it can never really be accomplished) that most people can't give it serious consideration.

    People with enough faith really don't care what "evidence" accumulates going against their belief, since faith is not about drawing conclusions but rather about believing despite lack or accumulation of evidence. They'll figure simply that your evidence is wrong or that ultimately they'll be shown to be right even if evidence now points otherwise. "Evidence" is irrelevant and, really, it only gets dragged in by believers so that they can defend their faith against antagonists or to use as a lever to "force" someone else to believe.

    I just would like to know how you would answer this, because my religious friend just told me "No," which was surprising.
    It doesn't surprise me anymore, but I spent a lifetime in that environment. I think the first time I got that response, though, it blew my mind.

    I'd want to know... but like I said, there is no possibility of someone giving "definitive for all-time proof," so it's hard to even process the question.
    "Hey Capa -- We're only stardust." ~ "Sunshine"

    “Pleasure to me is wonder—the unexplored, the unexpected, the thing that is hidden and the changeless thing that lurks behind superficial mutability. To trace the remote in the immediate; the eternal in the ephemeral; the past in the present; the infinite in the finite; these are to me the springs of delight and beauty.” ~ H.P. Lovecraft

  2. #12
    Oberon
    Guest

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Into It View Post
    Believers of a specific God, I ask you:

    If I were able to prove that your God did not exist, would you want to know?

    Edit: I should have made this a poll; I don't even plan to respond. I just would like to know how you would answer this, because my religious friend just told me "No," which was surprising.
    I may know why he told you 'no,' and it has nothing to do with a hypothetical "If I could know everything and absolutely prove" question.

    When you asked the question, your friend probably thought that it was a prelude to you actually taking a swing at disproving the existence of God, or at least the Christian God. And believe me, Christians have heard it all when it comes to people of other faiths or creeds, or none at all, chipping away at their beliefs.

    Your friend probably just didn't want to have that discussion.

  3. #13
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    MBTI
    INFJ
    Posts
    143

    Default

    Maybe this detracts from the original question - but I want to point out that if an INFJ is someone who cannot live without 'purpose' as in 'an INTJ cannot live without 'knowledge' then, an INFJ without belief in some higher power or some 'pattern' in the Universe must feel his life is without purpose, that any knowledge or skill he acquires is ultimately pointless. Or that who he becomes is not so important anyway. I'd say that any INFJ needs to have this sense of mission - not saying Messiah complex or messianic calling. Just a sense of living his life according to some higher set of values than the normal 'eat, drink, sleep, reproduce' pattern.

    Saying that one can prove the non-existance of God is also a dogma. Atheists can be as dogmatic about their 'beliefs' as the religious nuts. Modern man has become so blase, so jaded, so much in a hurry and lost all sense of wonder. Wonder at the intricate spider webs or the way that birds nests are woven for instance - all this is bound to make one wary of drawing absolute conclusions about the non-existence of God...

  4. #14
    Permabanned
    Join Date
    May 2009
    MBTI
    ISFP
    Enneagram
    6w7 sx
    Socionics
    SEE Fi
    Posts
    25,301

    Default

    My counter question is that if I could prove God did exist, would YOU want to know?

  5. #15
    Glowy Goopy Goodness The_Liquid_Laser's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2007
    MBTI
    ENTP
    Posts
    3,377

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Into It View Post
    Believers of a specific God, I ask you:

    If I were able to prove that your God did not exist, would you want to know?
    Yes of course.


    Quote Originally Posted by nozflubber View Post
    How does one prove the non-existence of something?
    You can construct proofs by contrapositive or contradiction in order to prove such a thing. Of course this refers to logical proofs. Often when atheists or agnostics are asking for proof they mean scientific proof rather than logical proof.
    My wife and I made a game to teach kids about nutrition. Please try our game and vote for us to win. (Voting period: July 14 - August 14)
    http://www.revoltingvegetables.com

  6. #16
    Gotta catch you all! Blackmail!'s Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    MBTI
    ENTP
    Enneagram
    7w8
    Posts
    2,934

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    My counter question is that if I could prove God did exist, would YOU want to know?
    Nietzsche would have answered "no!". It's a question of intellectual freedom.
    "A man who only drinks water has a secret to hide from his fellow-men" -Baudelaire

    7w8 SCUxI

  7. #17
    Senior Member Into It's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    MBTI
    ENFP
    Posts
    664

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by nozflubber View Post
    How does one prove the non-existence of something?
    I didn't say I could actually do it. You have to use your imagination for this one.
    An inscription above the gate to Hell:
    "Eternal Love also created me"

  8. #18
    Senior Member Into It's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    MBTI
    ENFP
    Posts
    664

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by marmalade.sunrise View Post
    My counter question is that if I could prove God did exist, would YOU want to know?
    That would be the first thing I would want to know. Then I would want to know how to prove it so I could go about proving it to everyone else.
    An inscription above the gate to Hell:
    "Eternal Love also created me"

  9. #19
    Junior Member Meatbot's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    MBTI
    INTP
    Posts
    19

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by nozflubber View Post
    How does one prove the non-existence of something?
    You first define the object in question. Then you look to see if that definition is self-contradictory. If it is, that object can't exist.

    For example, an object that is both a circle and a square cannot exist because it's definition is self-contradictory. However, a flying pink space unicorn CAN exist because it's definition is not self-contradictory.

    It so happens that the most common definition of god is self-contradictory. Omnipotence and omniscience cannot coexist, therefore a god who supposedly possesses both attributes cannot exist.

  10. #20
    Senior Member Warm's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2008
    MBTI
    ISFJ
    Posts
    723

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    People with enough faith really don't care what "evidence" accumulates going against their belief, since faith is not about drawing conclusions but rather about believing despite lack or accumulation of evidence. They'll figure simply that your evidence is wrong or that ultimately they'll be shown to be right even if evidence now points otherwise. "Evidence" is irrelevant and, really, it only gets dragged in by believers so that they can defend their faith against antagonists or to use as a lever to "force" someone else to believe.
    I agree that faith is all about believing despite what others might see as evidence, but I have to shake my head at the forcing thing because it's not my style.
    "Your voice is like chocolate...dreamy."
    --WildHorses

Similar Threads

  1. Questions for believers
    By Survive & Stay Free in forum Philosophy and Spirituality
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 07-31-2013, 12:53 AM
  2. [MBTItm] Question for sensors?
    By SolitaryWalker in forum The SP Arthouse (ESFP, ISFP, ESTP, ISTP)
    Replies: 116
    Last Post: 03-12-2009, 03:30 AM
  3. [NF] Question for NFs.
    By SolitaryWalker in forum The NF Idyllic (ENFP, INFP, ENFJ, INFJ)
    Replies: 116
    Last Post: 02-09-2009, 01:24 AM
  4. A question for all
    By disregard in forum The Bonfire
    Replies: 22
    Last Post: 06-03-2007, 08:21 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO