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    Quote Originally Posted by ADISCIPLE View Post
    ODo you believe in a God?
    Good question.

    From a rational perspective, I can neither demonstrate nor disprove the existence of an overentity/'God'.

    This stasis should not presuppose an inherent conclusion from absence of confirmable data; rather, that the notion of a creator entity does not lend itself to analysis otherwise used to define our physical world.

    Presently, empirical testing alongside independent critique is our best way to transform bundled hypothesis into observable theory, as it seeks to define phenomena unfettered by superficial intervention (cultural bias; errors in calculation; broken/exaggerated data sets) that would otherwise reduce objectivity.

    From a spiritual standpoint, I can say that the concept of an omnibenevolent force is a comforting thought to consider. Curiously, the same human discomfort in uncertainty that gave rise to present scientific clarity also parented historical/contemporary persistence of religious culture.

    Religious faith is a series of personal beliefs concerning the supernatural reality of our shared existence. It often focuses on creative 'celestialism' (life was 'authored' by a third party, rather than progressive sophistication in biological process). It's typically an artifact of one's culture of origin (where you were born against what you believe) and generally seeks to moralize human behavior.

    As the data itself is not falsifiable, we are unable to expose faith-based reasoning to the same clinical testing we can of observable information. Instead, belief is incumbent on the will of the faithful. This difference in material format does not offer definitive conclusion on the value of the data set, only that it does not have the same chemical makeup as scientific terminology.

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    Logically, I don't know that the question makes much sense to creatively ask, beyond an exercise in abstract exploration of value system. What this ultimately means to anyone else is irrelevant; people pick-and-choose what they believe on an individual level.

    I can say that I'm spiritually optimistic that a creator entity exists, and that I am hopeful that life - as an ideal - is not simply a facet of neurological 'consciousness'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Night View Post
    Good question.
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    Logically, I don't know that the question makes much sense to creatively ask, beyond an exercise in abstract exploration of value system. What this ultimately means to anyone else is irrelevant; people pick-and-choose what they believe on an individual level.

    I can say that I'm spiritually optimistic that a creator entity exists, and that I am hopeful that life - as an ideal - is not simply a facet of neurological 'consciousness'.
    This entire post I really enjoyed reading, and admire your thoughts. Now that some people have dismissed this thread which was intented I think I can get what I want from it.

    To share my belief (without imposing it). I learned to believe in a God during the worst time of my life and have watched it turn into a great life. I find a life with a God amazing, worthwhile, and down right fun. I wish to share this just because others might be brave enough to state something on their belief or point of view, especially the people that believe in a God, you shouldn't be afraid tell of your life with a belief in a Spiritual power, if it makes your life more enjoy it, you should share it, because not many people do. I don't have a specific religion, I don't want to have one, because the God that I know doesn't see the reason for segregation in the first place.

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    Yes I do because He talks to me every day, guides me in life, and helps me with every little thing I bring to Him - nothing is too small for Him. I could never ask for a better friend or father. He was not kidding when He said "For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, says the LORD, thoughts of peace and not of evil, to give you a future and a hope. Jer 29:11" He has done exactly that plus more for me, and it is so neat that He thinks about, plans for, helps, and loves little ole insignificant ME. I love Him with all my heart
    Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThinkingAboutIt View Post
    Yes I do because He talks to me every day, guides me in life, and helps me with every little thing I bring to Him - nothing is too small for Him. I could never ask for a better friend or father. He was not kidding when He said "For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, says the LORD, thoughts of peace and not of evil, to give you a future and a hope. Jer 29:11" He has done exactly that plus more for me, and it is so neat that He thinks about, plans for, helps, and loves little ole insignificant ME. I love Him with all my heart
    Some Christians are really interesting to me. I have known quite a few in my life and still do mainly because of my present location in the country, but most of which I seriously dislike. Some like you though, really get it. I have read the Bible before and I made myself do it without and biassed, because I definitely have some. And I think most Christians completely bypass the book and completely turn it inside out. To me a lot of the book is just common sense. Old Testament: If a nation operates this way, they get blessed, If they operate another way they get tested or even punished eventually. If the individual commits a related minor act, there are consequences for that as well. New Testament: Providing a model life to live by in a society applicable to today in some extremes. The man lived, loved, and brought peace to people.

    I also read alot about Buddha, and I love his philosophies as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    And let me guess - you believe in MBTI too.

    Bless your cotton socks.

    I sense a disturbance in the cosmic force...an INFP is getting pissed.

    All hail POSEIDON. The one true god! (I'm so with you on this!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Synarch View Post
    I believe in a higher order and purpose that is beyond my comprehension. Is this God? If not, I don't know what else is.
    A higher order that you(we) don't understand does not imply god. Purpose may imply god. but isn't that the existential question? What is your or my purpose? How is that determined? It's easy if you presupppose a higher power, not so much if you are willing to suspend your fear that you may simply not understand, or be up to the task of understanding, or that there are things that are simply unknowable, at this point or forever.

    This, to me, says that religion is an answer to existential anxiety. We require a higher power to alley the intense anxiety of an unfathomable void, that is unconcerned with my consciousness, despite my belief that I am somehow important.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ADISCIPLE View Post
    Some Christians are really interesting to me. I have known quite a few in my life and still do mainly because of my present location in the country, but most of which I seriously dislike. Some like you though, really get it. I have read the Bible before and I made myself do it without and biassed, because I definitely have some. And I think most Christians completely bypass the book and completely turn it inside out. To me a lot of the book is just common sense. Old Testament: If a nation operates this way, they get blessed, If they operate another way they get tested or even punished eventually. If the individual commits a related minor act, there are consequences for that as well. New Testament: Providing a model life to live by in a society applicable to today in some extremes. The man lived, loved, and brought peace to people.

    I also read alot about Buddha, and I love his philosophies as well.
    Hmmm, I think you miss the point in some of the standard theologies as well as those of ThinkingAboutIt. It seems to me as if there is a relatively standard theology behind that statement. I could be wrong, or maybe I live in a world of abnormal Christians...

    I don't think the bible is just simply good teachings. I also don't think you have to turn it inside out and round about. It's rather cut dry in many ways. In others it is not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nebbykoo View Post
    A higher order that you(we) don't understand does not imply god. Purpose may imply god. but isn't that the existential question? What is your or my purpose? How is that determined? It's easy if you presupppose a higher power, not so much if you are willing to suspend your fear that you may simply not understand, or be up to the task of understanding, or that there are things that are simply unknowable, at this point or forever.

    This, to me, says that religion is an answer to existential anxiety. We require a higher power to alley the intense anxiety of an unfathomable void, that is unconcerned with my consciousness, despite my belief that I am somehow important.
    I don't know what to tell you. To me a higher purpose is indistinguishable from God. Purpose and order, in the sense of meaning, is metaphysical. God cannot simply be a being such as myself, so if there is a God, He must be as incomprehensible to me as I am to a termite.
    "Create like a god, command like a king, work like a slave."

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    Quote Originally Posted by ADISCIPLE View Post
    Some Christians are really interesting to me. I have known quite a few in my life and still do mainly because of my present location in the country, but most of which I seriously dislike. Some like you though, really get it. I have read the Bible before and I made myself do it without and biassed, because I definitely have some. And I think most Christians completely bypass the book and completely turn it inside out. To me a lot of the book is just common sense. Old Testament: If a nation operates this way, they get blessed, If they operate another way they get tested or even punished eventually. If the individual commits a related minor act, there are consequences for that as well. New Testament: Providing a model life to live by in a society applicable to today in some extremes. The man lived, loved, and brought peace to people.

    I also read alot about Buddha, and I love his philosophies as well.
    Yes, the bible has much common sense and wisdom in it. The book of proverbs is really great; and even if someone is not interested in it as a christian, it can help them tremendously in life. But, a christian that doesn't read the bible is a ship without a sail or paddle because the Holy Spirit speaks to us through it.

    I am not here to preach or condemn others for their non belief or differing beliefs, but I am excited about Jesus, and you are getting me going, so you'll just have to deal with it I can't contain the joy I have because I KNOW how awesome He is. Jesus has proven His love for me over and over and over; He has literally chased me down several times and when something is in my best interest, and I don't want to do it, He will bug me until I do He truly does help me with every little thing, has invested Himself in me in many ways, gently teaches and guides me, never laughs or judges me for my stupid or childish moments, forgives me when I am totally bad, lifts me up when I am down, provides financially and meets all my needs, helps me in my career, healed my mother from stage 4 cancer that filled her entire lung but she never lost a hair on her head and never had a problem breathing - I could tell you a zillion things He has done for me and all are WAY beyond anything I actually deserve; I will never be able to return or repay Him for them; and I wish I did even a small percentage of what He does for me. I think about Him all day, every day. Being a christian is who I am - it's lifestyle. That doesn't include perfection though for sure! Yep, Jesus has my heart and my life, and He's powerful enough to ensure it for eternity!
    Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Synarch View Post
    I don't know what to tell you. To me a higher purpose is indistinguishable from God. Purpose and order, in the sense of meaning, is metaphysical. God cannot simply be a being such as myself, so if there is a God, He must be as incomprehensible to me as I am to a termite.
    Order is different than purpose.

    Chemistry is highly ordered, but this fact does not imply the divine to me. Maybe it does to you...There are many things in nature that humans do not understand, but we will, given time.

    But Purpose? Meaning? Those are metaphysical, and ultimately unknowable, except if you decide that not knowing is unbearable and bring in GOD, as security blanket for incurable solipsism.

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