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    Quote Originally Posted by Into It View Post
    Maybe I don't. Explain it to me, please.

    But keep in mind, if motion exists in infinity, then time can be measured.
    even with all those years combined you still wouldn't be able to understand everything about the universe and what's beyond. there isn't a limit on the knowledge to be found in this world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heart View Post
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    In regards to those in the process of dying:

    My personal philosophy is that people that are dying terminally, take a cancer person for example, is leading by example and making the most of their life, I have no excuse to not strive for survival no matter what.

    I don't know yet my stance on vegetable-states, and things of this nature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Into It View Post
    So, If you were say...on fire...and the flames could not be extinguished...this would be a preferable state to those awful many years before you were born? You really thought they were that bad? Or am I misunderstanding you?
    Before birth and after death is both the same for me. Nothing. So yes. And physical pain is the least of my concerns, I believe that any and every form of physical pain is overcomable.

    That said, I have an extremely high threshold for physical pain which according to some doctors is apparantly borderline unnatural. :P

    Only emotional pain has my thoughts wavering ever slightly, as I can only guess at this time just how deep emotional pain can go. Perhaps there is a form of emotional pain unknown to me that would do the trick. I don't think there is, but I couldn't say that with any certainty. But even then, as long as I remain my identity, my self awareness and my integrity. I really don't care what state I am in. Whatever state is prefered than death. For clarification, I stated before. Loosing self awareness and identity, is for me the same as death, the same as ceasing to exist, or dying. So, becoming some living thoughtless undead or some senile plant or something is not my idea of living in which case these morals will no longer apply.

    Giving up on life is something I will never consider in any circumstance, unless in sacrifice to save the lives that mean more to me than my own life. But never for any personal discomfort or pain.

    And it does scare me that I can write this post with conviction. Ofcourse, I prefer not to go through great lengths of pain to stay alive, an alternative without pain is much prefered! But I'm certain that should I end up in such a hypothetical situation. I would not give up.



    But another hypothetical scenario. Suppose I am on the verge of dying, but apparantly, there is an afterlife. And I find that out, but before I am dead. Should such an event come to pass. Then my morals regarding this topic would also change. As I base my beliefs on the option that makes most sense to me now. Which is that there is no afterlife. Learning of an afterlife would ofcourse change my entire belief system. Death might not seem bad anymore then.

    But gee, would I be skeptical. I'd probably doubt my own mind and try to stick with living regardless, lol.

    Bottomline is, death will never be an option for me. But I fear I have no say in these things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sentura View Post
    even with all those years combined you still wouldn't be able to understand everything about the universe and what's beyond. there isn't a limit on the knowledge to be found in this world.
    Well, you could count every blade of grass on the planet over and over, and it would change each time. So, I guess you're right. Anyway, I wouldn't want to be doomed to this.
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    After watching three separate family members battle cancer (two of whom lost), I can say I am definitely outtie when things start to get ugly. As a resident of a "Death with Dignity" state I will be all over that prescription when my time comes. If I don't make it back to Washington for some reason I'll move to Finland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyuuei View Post
    My personal philosophy is that people that are dying terminally, take a cancer person for example, is leading by example and making the most of their life, I have no excuse to not strive for survival no matter what.
    You know, they don't all. Some are in total agony or feel so fatigued they can't be all that or be a lead by example type and they don't want to and they resent the pressure that others place on them to do so.

    It's a modern myth that illness always brings out the best in us where we're always able to make the most of our lives. Sometimes it just really sucks and people are in situations where they feel they are a drain on others or they can't afford medical care, etc. There are some really ugly, stark moments in life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffywolf View Post
    Before birth and after death is both the same for me. Nothing. So yes. And physical pain is the least of my concerns, 1.I believe that any and every form of physical pain is overcomable.

    That said, I have an extremely high threshold for physical pain which according to some doctors is apparantly borderline unnatural. :P

    Only emotional pain has my thoughts wavering ever slightly, as I can only guess at this time just how deep emotional pain can go. Perhaps there is a form of emotional pain unknown to me that would do the trick. I don't think there is, but I couldn't say that with any certainty. But even then, as long as I remain my identity, my self awareness and my integrity. I really don't care what state I am in. Whatever state is prefered than death. For clarification, I stated before. Loosing self awareness and identity, is for me the same as death, the same as ceasing to exist, or dying. So, becoming some living thoughtless undead or some senile plant or something is not my idea of living in which case these morals will no longer apply.

    Giving up on life is something I will never consider in any circumstance, unless in sacrifice to save the lives that mean more to me than my own life. But never for any personal discomfort or pain.

    And it does scare me that I can write this post with conviction. Ofcourse, I prefer not to go through great lengths of pain to stay alive, an alternative without pain is much prefered! But I'm certain that should I end up in such a hypothetical situation. I would not give up.



    But another hypothetical scenario. Suppose I am on the verge of dying, but apparantly, there is an afterlife. And I find that out, but before I am dead. Should such an event come to pass. Then my morals regarding this topic would also change. As I base my beliefs on the option that makes most sense to me now. Which is that there is no afterlife. Learning of an afterlife would ofcourse change my entire belief system. Death might not seem bad anymore then.

    But gee, would I be skeptical. I'd probably doubt my own mind and try to stick with living regardless, lol.

    Bottomline is, death will never be an option for me. But I fear I have no say in these things.
    1.90 years on fire would surely be difficult to withstand, but you are correct that it would be possible to overcome.

    Placing that much importance on personal identity sounds foolish to me. It isn't worth all that pain. But in a way, it's admirable. If you can overcome pain, I suppose you can overcome anything.

    In any case, I hope that you can make peace with this event before it comes to pass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by juggernaut View Post
    After watching three separate family members battle cancer (two of whom lost), I can say I am definitely outtie when things start to get ugly. As a resident of a "Death with Dignity" state I will be all over that prescription when my time comes. If I don't make it back to Washington for some reason I'll move to Finland.
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    ^ I entirely agree heart. Sometimes there's nothing pretty, aspiring, or inspiring about terminal illness aside the inspiration of death as an option.

    But. I am not terminally ill yet. I cannot pretend to be in agony over something I am not experiencing. We always choose our role models, and those we look to for guidence, and direction.. I would choose those that are leading the way for my inspiration.

    I can't deny or pretend like the world is a totally optimistic place. Some things in this world are pure destruction, chaos, and torment. I suppose I'll figure out how to deal with those things when and if they come my way. Until then, I'll continue to look to the ones that can lead and aspire to be as strong as them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Into It View Post
    1.90 years on fire would surely be difficult to withstand, but you are correct that it would be possible to overcome.

    Placing that much importance on personal identity sounds foolish to me. It isn't worth all that pain. But in a way, it's admirable. If you can overcome pain, I suppose you can overcome anything.

    In any case, I hope that you can make peace with this event before it comes to pass.

    Why isn't it worth all that pain, if the alternative equals nothing?

    Nada, zip, niantes!

    To me it just seems worth it.

    90 years of pain is something
    death is nothing
    Suppose I die in the first few seconds. I would be none the wiser
    Every thought I had in those 90 years would be like a blessing to me.

    I don't really expect you or anyone else to understand me though. I've always been a rather odd ball when it comes to death. :P
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