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    Quote Originally Posted by juggernaut View Post
    How about fetuses that are developed enough to sustain life outside the womb but have not yet been born? Aren't nursing infants dependent on their hosts?
    not necessarily. granted, there are theories about not being breastfed leading to mental instability, but ultimately i don't think it would be impossible for an infant to survive in the wild. after all, some animals seems to be doing just fine.

    it's a question about how much is written in instinctive instructions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by juggernaut View Post
    How about fetuses that are developed enough to sustain life outside the womb but have not yet been born? Aren't nursing infants dependent on their hosts?
    When an infant is born, anyone can feed it or care for it. It's life is not physically connected to a host body.

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    Quote Originally Posted by professor goodstain View Post
    i believe the beginning of personhood is when the sperm fertilizes the egg. 99% of the time, when this process up to the point of birth....is left to nature, a new person walks the earth.
    The number of spontaneous abortions is higher than the number of induced abortions.

    And it is simply nature that ensures the high number of spontaneous abortions, not only in us but in other animals as well.

    This simple fact of nature makes nonsense of the moral prohibition of abortion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    This simple fact of nature makes nonsense of the moral prohibition of abortion.

    Does disease make nonsense of the moral prohibition of murder?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    When it becomes an entity separate from its host. So, at birth.
    Bingo. Life may start earlier than that, I guess, but this is definitely the most simple answer, and I think that it would be the most beneficial for all parties legally.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heart View Post
    Does disease make nonsense of the moral prohibition of murder?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sentura View Post
    not necessarily. granted, there are theories about not being breastfed leading to mental instability, but ultimately i don't think it would be impossible for an infant to survive in the wild. after all, some animals seems to be doing just fine.

    it's a question about how much is written in instinctive instructions.
    I just meant for sustenance. Even infants that survive in the wild somehow would need nourishment provided by another being. That is to say, they would not be able to feed themselves and so would be reliant on a host.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Into It View Post
    Bingo. Life may start earlier than that, I guess, but this is definitely the most simple answer, and I think that it would be the most beneficial for all parties legally.
    So the murder of a pregnant woman carrying a 38-week-old fetus is only one murder?

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    Quote Originally Posted by juggernaut View Post
    I just meant for sustenance. Even infants that survive in the wild somehow would need nourishment provided by another being. That is to say, they would not be able to feed themselves and so would be reliant on a host.
    They digest their own food though. So it is not as strictly parasitic (for lack of a better word) as being in the womb and dependent on the mother's body to digest the food, oxygenate the blood and clear the wastes away. Their internal systems become an independently operating entity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heart View Post
    Does disease make nonsense of the moral prohibition of murder?
    Do I strike you as the kind of person who hides what he thinks?
    The is the "Doh" expression - it's the feeling you get when someone points out something you should have thought of before. Your analogy was spot-on and perfectly applicable. Whoever it was that you responded to definitely smacked their forehead when they read your reply.
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