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    Default Meditative Dance

    The purpose of meditative dance is to enjoy moment by moment.

    Normally we direct our muscles to act; we direct our feelings to feel; and we even tell ourselves what to think.

    But in meditative dance we slowly and gently learn to stop directing ourselves and we learn to follow ourselves.

    We gently learn to stop telling ourselves and we start listening to ourselves.

    We start by first listening to the music, and then the silence.

    And so we create a gentle wave within ourselves of the music and silence.

    And then we dance right off the top of the wave and simply follow ourselves.

    A purpose of meditation is to still our minds.

    And a good way to still our minds is to move our bodies.

    Would you care to dance?

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    Let's give it a whirl.

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    ... Can't be bothered, at least normal meditation requires no effort... I wouldn't even bother with that, I don't see any point, it's never helped before, It just wastes time.

    /brutal honesty
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    What is the benefit of not leading yourself?
    Is having an active mind seen as worse, or less organic, than having an empty mind?
    In order to move your muscles, don't you have to direct them?
    What is the purpose of trying to artificially separate your mind and body?
    How are we separate from "ourselves", in reference to telling and listening?

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    I guess, if balance is really as great as they say... then having constantly racing thoughts would be seen as unbalanced? So you can balance your thoughts by meditating?
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    But what if I'm always physically moving when I think - would that then be balance?

    Also, if mental motion is negative, where is the positive in the movement of the body? Isn't that just exchanging vices?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jenocyde View Post
    Also, if mental motion is negative, where is the positive in the movement of the body? Isn't that just exchanging vices?
    lol. The difference between self-willed thought and monkey-mind thought is perhaps lost on Victor. Or, he just couldn't be bothered to articulate the difference.

    I take Victor to be advocating stillness of mind in the sense of reducing monkey-mind/background/chatty/anxious/fear-based thought and thus being at one with the flowingness of the present moment. He probably doesn't mean to exclude actively-willed/self-derivative/intentional/rational thought which is obviously necessary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bananatrombones View Post
    Let's give it a whirl.
    It's so simple - we can turn you into a whirling dervish overnight.

    First turn on you radio to some dance music and dance for five minutes.

    Second, sit down for five minutes.

    Do this five times.

    It takes 50 minutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King-Of-Despair View Post
    ... Can't be bothered, at least normal meditation requires no effort... I wouldn't even bother with that, I don't see any point, it's never helped before, It just wastes time.

    /brutal honesty
    Well, let me explain.

    As you dance for five minutes, your metabolism rises.

    And as you sit for five minutes, your metabolism falls.

    And as you do this five times over fifty minutes you set up a metabolic wave in your body, quite like a sine wave.

    And interestingly, the larger the metabolic waves in your body, the healthier you are.

    And the opposite is also true, that when your metabolic waves are flatlining, you are dead.

    So this this form of meditative dance brings us alive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by King-Of-Despair View Post
    I guess, if balance is really as great as they say... then having constantly racing thoughts would be seen as unbalanced? So you can balance your thoughts by meditating?
    Ah yes.

    As I dance for five minutes, my metabolism rises, and I feel euphoric.

    And then as I sit for five minutes, my metabolism automatically falls, and the relaxation response kicks in automatically, and I feel relaxed.

    As I do this five times over fifty minutes - I alternate five times between euphoria and relaxation.

    So I balance euphoria and relaxation one with the other five times over fifty minutes.

    So you are learning not only how to be euphoric and not only how to relax, but how to balance one with the other.

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