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    Quote Originally Posted by Loxias View Post
    I am willing to open up to your ideas, but for that you have to rebuke mine thoroughly first. I don't claim to own any truth, but I think that my beliefs are the best I hae encountered so far. The process of dialectic argument is what allows me to update my views. The fact that you don't want to play could make me believe that you are unsure about your views and would actually not argue as a defence mechanism.

    I am not defending against anything, I have stated my ideas clear, they are not defined by what they are not, they are defined by what they are, and they are here. You can have all the fun questioning them, destroying them. I will end up ideologically more mature out of it, and you will have the pleasure of knowing that you were right if I admit that you convinced me.
    I have not the slightest interest in proving you wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    I have not the slightest interest in proving you wrong.
    Then you can go on in you little world of big delusions. I accept my victory and shall now celebrate it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loxias View Post
    Local Jesus :
    Have you had any spiritual/transcendental experience in particular that led you towards Celtic heathenry? Is it in reverence of your ancestry? Or a choice of more aesthetic/romantic nature?
    What made you adopt this particular path?
    I'm very primal and close to nature in many regards.
    As for experiences, yes, it could be called that. Also a yes on the ancestry question.
    Aesthetically/romantically, it also fits like a glove.

    Mightier than the tread of marching armies is the power of an idea whose time has come

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    whoa, long thread (predictably so)

    I'm agnostic. I don't really crave faith in anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Loxias View Post
    I am willing to open up to your ideas, but for that you have to rebuke mine thoroughly first.
    It's customary for the propounder of an idea to supply evidence. The notion that an idea must be "rebuked thoroughly" before it is in some way discredited is something that has been dealt with soundly before the birth of this thread...

    Many orthodox people speak as though it were the business of sceptics to disprove received dogmas rather than of dogmatists to prove them. This is, of course, a mistake. If I were to suggest that between the Earth and Mars there is a china teapot revolving about the sun in an elliptical orbit, nobody would be able to disprove my assertion provided I were careful to add that the teapot is too small to be revealed even by our most powerful telescopes. But if I were to go on to say that, since my assertion cannot be disproved, it is intolerable presumption on the part of human reason to doubt it, I should rightly be thought to be talking nonsense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    I have not the slightest interest in proving you wrong.
    Indeed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Loxias View Post
    Then you can go on in you little world of big delusions. I accept my victory and shall now celebrate it.
    You've suggested Victor is deluded and humbly accept "victory" followed by a celebration.

    Victor may well be deluded, or perhaps he is not, but you have little to celebrate.

    All the best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bananatrombones View Post
    It's customary for the propounder of an idea to supply evidence. The notion that an idea must be "rebuked thoroughly" before it is in some way discredited is something that has been dealt with soundly before the birth of this thread...
    I thought I had given some evidence, at least to go against his claims. I don't understand why he wouldn't want to prove me wrong, even on the arguments that I brought against his claims. Or what there is to "indeed" about.

    Quote Originally Posted by bananatrombones View Post
    Victor may well be deluded, or perhaps he is not, but you have little to celebrate.
    That's true. It was immature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Loxias View Post
    I don't understand why he [Victor] wouldn't want to prove me wrong...
    I have slowly come to see that arguing and debate are psychological defence mechanisms.

    However my father told me I should never criticize without offering something in its place.

    So instead of arguing and debate, I offer self expression.

    Self expression enables us to grow as persons and is the basis of art.

    And just as rights are balanced by responsibilities, so self expression is balanced by active listening.

    But the truth is we do far too much arguing and debating here, and not enough expressing and listening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    But the truth is we do far too much arguing and debating here
    No we don't!
    If you could be anything you want, I bet you'd be disappointed--am I right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by simulatedworld View Post
    No we don't!
    Yes we do!

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