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    Quote Originally Posted by reason View Post
    Atheists suspend the issue of God's existence? No they don't. Everytime an atheist does not go to church, synagogue, mosque, temple, etc., and everytime they do not pray meditate, or abide by religious commandments, they express with their actions a clear judgement of their beliefs about God and the afterlife. The costs of being wrong may be enormous, and yet few atheists are indecisive when they decide not to join in worship, or adherence to religious doctrine. They have judged, because they must judge: reality presents us with no fence to sit on, but demands action, decision, and judgement.
    that's out of context sir - I'm not saying "atheists suspend the issue of God", I'm saying Theists get upset when God ISN'T an issue, or some sort integral part of how they digest the world.

    to them, that's suspending the issue of God. Atheists do this quite regularly and are not at all bashful about how little they need to believe in God. That's the ball-o-wax right there

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blank View Post
    I haven't seen any radical Islamist terrorists fight for Twinkies. Have you?
    That says that some religious people fight and get in eachother's business, but that doesn't say anything about whether atheists do or not.

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    I don't automatically think ill of atheists. I have friends who are atheists and I have no beef with them, even though I'm a spiritual person.

    However, I have encountered a few atheists - particularly on line - who feel a need to pompously "correct" religious people, even if those religious people are tolerant, liberal religious people who initially had no beef with him. I say him, because the two clearest examples I can think of are male. I'm not saying that this is relevant.

    ANYWAY, so yeah, I do have a problem with the ignorant notion that some atheists prescribe to that they're "smarter" or more educated, when in fact a person can be a high school drop out and be an atheist, and hold multiple PhDs and be a Catholic. But atheists in general, not necessarily.

    Basically I don't bother them or judge them unless they start it.

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    I wish Peguy would respond to this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FallaciaSonata View Post
    If you don't follow a "moral guideline", then why is killing people wrong? And let's not stop there, why is anything "wrong", or "right"?

    I'm not trying to open a can of worms here. I really want to know. Most of the agnostics/atheists that I know answer with "It's against the law", to which I respond, "Where did your political law come from", and we go back and forth throughout history until we hit the Bible.
    Why do you assume that atheists don't follow a moral guideline?

    I wouldn't want other people in my society killing me, raping me, stealing my things, etc.
    Nobody does. It is only natural that it carries over to other people as well and that people would then make laws based on it.

    There is no cosmic reason to it, it is in our nature. Necessary for our species, and ourselves to survive. It's not only humans either.

    If I needed firewood, it would be easiest for me to just to tear my house apart, rather than going to the forest. But then I wouldn't have a house. Just because I could, doesn't mean I should.

    "Morals" weren't created by the Bible, they have existed since the dawn of man and have since been adapted and improved. Christianity and The Bible are pretty much newcomers anyway..

    Also, I don't see how a book that advocates slavery, female degradation and killing for stupid reasons should be taken as some moral cornerstone.

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    Atheists are treated like any other zealot. With suspicion and pity. A closed mind works in both directions. Toward belief and away from belief.
    "Create like a god, command like a king, work like a slave."

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Outsider View Post
    Why do you assume that atheists don't follow a moral guideline?

    I wouldn't want other people in my society killing me, raping me, stealing my things, etc.
    Nobody does. It is only natural that it carries over to other people as well and that people would then make laws based on it.

    There is no cosmic reason to it, it is in our nature. Necessary for our species, and ourselves to survive. It's not only humans either.

    If I needed firewood, it would be easiest for me to just to tear my house apart, rather than going to the forest. But then I wouldn't have a house. Just because I could, doesn't mean I should.

    "Morals" weren't created by the Bible, they have existed since the dawn of man and have since been adapted and improved. Christianity and The Bible are pretty much newcomers anyway..

    Also, I don't see how a book that advocates slavery, female degradation and killing for stupid reasons should be taken as some moral cornerstone.
    What he said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Synarch View Post
    Atheists are treated like any other zealot. With suspicion and pity. A closed mind works in both directions. Toward belief and away from belief.


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    Every manner in which a man may identify himself leaves him open to attack because we are animals, and in the animal kingdom you are either helping me flourish or you are a threat.

    Competing ideologies compete for resources: followers, who have the money, manpower, land, etc.

    And that is why atheists are thought ill of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zago View Post
    For the record, though, I want to differentiate my opinion on unquestioning people and religious people. I do not think that being religious means you are unquestioning, but, unquestioning people do seem to be religious fanatics quite frequently.
    This Mormon girl insisted her beliefs are right due to her holy book, and the words of the current proxy to God. Any info to the contrary is attacking the one true church, and testing the faith of the followers. Mind you, most of Joseph Smith's claims have been invalidated as false, or plagiarism. The girl purposely doesn't consider any data outside of what the LDS prophet, and apostles deem as appropriate.

    The individuals that would fall apart without certain beliefs guiding their life, tend to be fanatics.


    Quote Originally Posted by disregard View Post
    Every manner in which a man may identify himself leaves him open to attack because we are animals, and in the animal kingdom you are either helping me flourish or you are a threat.

    Competing ideologies compete for resources: followers, who have the money, manpower, land, etc.
    There's definitely truth in that statement.

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