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    And to add to my post.

    A rope you could hang yourself by, just out of hands reach, above the podium.

    It never occurred to me that a person had to subscribe to an organized religion to be a theist. Many people might hold that position, but it doesn't make sense. What is the difference between belonging to a religion of 150 people or 15,000? What is the difference between a religion of 1 or ten million? Having other people validate one's position on what God is shouldn't define whether or not a person believes in God. And if it does, what it the magic number? Two people in a religion? Three? Forty? Fifty Thousand? It seems arbitrary to equate theism with organized religion.
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    For thousands of years people have used religion to control the masses. It's easy and profitable!
    Athieism goes against the group mentality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by darkmoon View Post
    I've had some interesting conversations with friends lately about athiests and been surprised to find that many think some weird things about atheists and atheism like:

    -Atheists are without morals
    -Atheists cannot be normal nice people
    -Atheism promotes lawlessness
    -Atheists are arrogant because they don't believe there is something higher than them
    -Atheists don't have a sense of purpose in life
    -Atheists don't deserve the same respect as everyone else
    -Atheists don't respect other people
    -A rise in Atheism is making the planet corrupt
    -If you say you are an Atheist you are trying to convert everyone to your beliefs which is wrong but it's OK to try to convert an Atheist
    -It's OK to question Atheists about why they don't believe in God but not OK for them to question why people do.

    None of those things are particularly true so where do these attitudes come from? It seems the majority of people I know subscribe to at least one of these beliefs.
    This sounds a bit like the stereotype of INTJ libertarians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hommefatal View Post
    This sounds a bit like the stereotype of INTJ libertarians.
    This also sounds a bit like the stereotype of ENTP anarcho-hedonists...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carissa View Post
    For thousands of years people have used religion to control the masses. It's easy and profitable!
    Athieism goes against the group mentality.
    No it doesn't. It just identifies its own group, and within that group it frees up the human imperative-to-worship to be engaged by other constructs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    No it doesn't. It just identifies its own group, and within that group it frees up the human imperative-to-worship to be engaged by other constructs.
    Atheism is not a "group". In France, it's rather a passive/default attitude. Live and let live!
    Only when they get frequently harassed by a majority of believers (1) will they look like a "group".

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    (1) For instance, in the US. Or when an Oberon, a Peguy or a CopyPaste just happen to cross their path.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmail! View Post
    (1) For instance, in the US. Or when an Oberon, a Peguy or a CopyPaste just happen to cross their path.
    You know, if we could refrain from the "personal lumping" of people into groups, that would be cool. The grouping is arbitrary and not meant to do more than slander a particularly broad category of people.

    I'm not sure why some people need to take impersonal discussion into the personal realm, but if we have to do more to dissuade this sort of thing, we will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmail! View Post
    Atheism is not a "group". In France, it's rather a passive/default attitude. Live and let live!
    Only when they get frequently harassed by a majority of believers (1) will they look like a "group".

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    (1) For instance, in the US. Or when an Oberon, a Peguy or a CopyPaste just happen to cross their path.

    In France, do atheists ever organize as a collective due to having something in common?
    everyone uses every function about evenly. take NE for example. if there are those who don't use it much, then why are there such massive amounts of people constantly flowing through Wallmart with 20 items or less?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmail! View Post
    Atheism is not a "group". In France, it's rather a passive/default attitude. Live and let live!
    Only when they get frequently harassed by a majority of believers (1) will they look like a "group".

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    (1) For instance, in the US. Or when an Oberon, a Peguy or a CopyPaste just happen to cross their path.

    Oh but Blackie, didn't you know? Atheist are believers. They just don't believe in God.

    In place of God they believe in Business, or Sexuality, or Socialism, or Labour, or Environmentalism, or Self, or even Manchester United (God help us). Regardless, the urge to worship will not be thwarted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    Oh but Blackie, didn't you know? Atheist are believers. They just don't believe in God.

    In place of God they believe in Business, or Sexuality, or Socialism, or Labour, or Environmentalism, or Self, or even Manchester United (God help us). Regardless, the urge to worship will not be thwarted.
    If you say so.
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