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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffywolf View Post
    Question...

    Is a person claiming to have met God (and thus does not believe in God, but know in God) an atheist?
    Can you explain that a little more? I'm deeply confused by that sentence. Would such a person believe that people can have compelling experiences that they interpret as God, but are not God? Or is it someone who thinks there is a God, but is just being ornery about it to spite God? That's the best sense I can make of the distinction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    God created a place called Ultra Hell for them, where you listen to William Shatner records all day.
    Wow. God! Really IS! A! Sadist!

    (... and! there is! Nothing! We can do! A! Bout! It! *anguished shout*)

    Quote Originally Posted by toonia View Post
    Can you explain that a little more? I'm deeply confused by that sentence. Would such a person believe that people can have compelling experiences that they interpret as God, but are not God? Or is it someone who thinks there is a God, but is just being ornery about it to spite God? That's the best sense I can make of the distinction.
    I guess there are atheists who are like, "Nope, not God, you're not real, no matter what you do to prove it" and others who are, "F you, God" even if God is perceived by them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by toonia View Post
    Can you explain that a little more? I'm deeply confused by that sentence. Would such a person believe that people can have compelling experiences that they interpret as God, but are not God? Or is it someone who thinks there is a God, but is just being ornery about it to spite God? That's the best sense I can make of the distinction.
    Well, if theism states that one much be a believer in a religion. Then a theist that is confronted with the truth of religion and afterlife, with undeniable truth. He would by theistic standards, not be a theist anymore.

    And thus an atheist.

    (Or a nutcase to the rest of the world.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffywolf View Post
    Well, if theism states that one much be a believer in a religion. Then a theist that is confronted with the truth of religion and afterlife, with undeniable truth. He would by theistic standards, not be a theist anymore.

    And thus an atheist.
    And thus, he would be doomed and go to Ultra Hell, or worst!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffywolf View Post
    Well, if theism states that one much be a believer in a religion. Then a theist that is confronted with the truth of religion and afterlife, with undeniable truth. He would by theistic standards, not be a theist anymore.
    This situation is entirely theoretical -- it will never happen IRL.

    There is no way to prove or disprove God.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmail! View Post
    And thus, he would be doomed and go to Ultra Hell, or worst!
    I shudder to imagine what would be worse than William Shatner for eternity.

    (now there's a GREAT reason to pay more for your travel plans!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    This situation is entirely theoretical -- it will never happen IRL.

    There is no way to prove or disprove God.
    It was purely hypothetical and mostly for amusement. :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post

    I shudder to imagine what would be worse than William Shatner for eternity.
    A duet of two William Shatner singing for eternity!

    [youtube=lul-Y8vSr0I]Duet of Shatners singing in cannon![/youtube]
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    A whole choir of Shatners singing in Canon.

    edit: All around you with you sitting on a 10 by 10 inch lil podium dead center.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oberon View Post
    pssst... it's funnier that way...
    I know, but someone has to act like the gullible guy (or the ingenue) to make the situation even funnier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluffywolf View Post
    Well, if theism states that one much be a believer in a religion. Then a theist that is confronted with the truth of religion and afterlife, with undeniable truth. He would by theistic standards, not be a theist anymore.

    And thus an atheist.

    (Or a nutcase to the rest of the world.)
    It never occurred to me that a person had to subscribe to an organized religion to be a theist. Many people might hold that position, but it doesn't make sense. What is the difference between belonging to a religion of 150 people or 15,000? What is the difference between a religion of 1 or ten million? Having other people validate one's position on what God is shouldn't define whether or not a person believes in God. And if it does, what is the magic number? Two people in a religion? Three? Forty? Fifty Thousand? It seems arbitrary to equate theism with organized religion.
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    So I guess it means there is trouble until the robins come
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