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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    When you're dealing with metaphysical entities, yes.
    That's what I said. Only Theists can say that Atheists are believers. This idea can only originate within a theistic mind.
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    I think it takes faith to say "there is absolutely no possibility of the existence of god" but it takes no faith to say "god is a possibility but there is not enough evidence to support a belief in that possibility".
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    Default Atheists are thought ill of because they question power

    Yes, it's a question of power.

    The most complete expression of power is to rape a child and have your organisation cover it up.

    And we know that the officers of this organisation and the organisation itself covered it up because we have the criminal convictions to prove it.

    At the same time this organisation tells us we should not only fear their god, but we should also love their god. They tell us we should love and fear their god.

    This is precisely what abusers want from their victims.

    This is called the psychology of abuse.

    Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Their god has absolute power and demands the impossible - to be loved and feared at the same time. And what better way to exercise this absolute power than over small children.

    And they exercise their power over small, defenceless, trusting victims.

    And it is a betrayal of trust by those in positions of trust. "Trust us", they say, "Trust us and have faith in the absolute power of our god".

    So quite naturally, theism turns our stomachs.

    And atheism seems to be only common decency.

    No wonder atheists are hated by people of faith, just as Peguy hates me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    When you're dealing with metaphysical entities, yes.
    Does your disbelief in Zeus require faith, Peguy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmail! View Post
    That's what I said.
    Yes I guess we do have a bad habit of coming to the same point from opposite directions.

    I believe Pascal once stated that you can never convince an unbeliever of God's existence, only that it has merit to it. That's pretty much my position. you can only take the discussion so far, and after that you have to go your seperate ways.

    Being an ex-Atheist, I know how Christians can be annoying when trying to convert others. Especially with threats of Hell. If you don't believe in Hell, then such a threat is hollow. I'm often reminded of that line from the MADTv skit involving Woody Allen fighting terrorists:

    Terrorist: "I'll see you in Hell!"
    Woody Allen: "Oh I don't believe in Hell, how about Los Angeles?"


    Not only that, trying to bring people to God with threats of Hell is not the proper form of evangelization, as St. Bernard of Clairvaux articulated in his work On Loving God.

    If you don't believe in God, then you don't believe in God. There's not much else I can say to you really.

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    Does your disbelief in Zeus require faith, Peguy?
    Why yes it does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    The greatest expression of power is to rape a child and have your organisation cover it up.
    Does anybody else notice Victor's obsession with issues involving pedophilia?

    Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
    Thank you Lord Acton, who for the record was a Catholic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juggernaut View Post
    Atheism is the belief that one is without god. Please see etymological breakdown provided earlier.
    God(s), I assume you mean. The etymological breakdown is a literal 'without god/gods', or a theos, so I still don't know exactly what you are referring too.

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    I don't think atheists are thought ill of. In america anyway. I think it's all in their head. Possibly from second guessing themselves all the time.
    everyone uses every function about evenly. take NE for example. if there are those who don't use it much, then why are there such massive amounts of people constantly flowing through Wallmart with 20 items or less?

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    Quote Originally Posted by professor goodstain View Post
    I don't think atheists are thought ill of. In america anyway. I think it's all in their head. Possibly from second guessing themselves all the time.
    Which America are you living in?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Costrin View Post
    Which America are you living in?
    The one where people can be viewed with the naked eye.
    everyone uses every function about evenly. take NE for example. if there are those who don't use it much, then why are there such massive amounts of people constantly flowing through Wallmart with 20 items or less?

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