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    Quote Originally Posted by coberst View Post
    Ideology is one of the world's greatest problems. It can only be diminished by a population that has learned Critical Thinking.
    A problem is that critical thinking is likely to lead to cognitive dissonance.

    And cognitive dissonance is emotionally painful.

    Of course cognitive dissonance can lead to discovery or integration.

    However it is difficult to sell pain to a narcissistic audience fed on self-esteem.

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    And then there's the concept of a paradox; which is the fruit of much philosophical thought.

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    I think that President Bush often spoke the mantra of ideology "you are either with us or against us". This either/or view is the view of ideology. Because high tech has placed extraordinary power into the hands of ordinary people our species is in great danger.

    Actually 'ideology is prison' may be a better metaphor than 'ideology is prism'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coberst View Post
    I think that President Bush often spoke the mantra of ideology "you are either with us or against us". This either/or view is the view of ideology. Because high tech has placed extraordinary power into the hands of ordinary people our species is in great danger.

    Actually 'ideology is prison' may be a better metaphor than 'ideology is prism'.
    An ideology is -

    • Predigested thought,

    • It serves interests

    • And has a demonology.

    And so when President Bush said, "You are either with us or against us", he was defending us from the totalitarian ideology of Islamism.

    To turn it around the other way is perverse.

    And it is just this kind of perversity that plays into the hands of the totalitarians.

    How frustrating it is for me to watch you support the very ideologists who would destroy you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    An ideology is -

    • Predigested thought,

    • It serves interests

    • And has a demonology.
    Strange definition imho. I thought is was "an orientation that characterizes the thinking of a group or nation". But I guess it needs more demon.

    What's perverse about this Islam-West confrontation is the total negligence of the peaceful people and their opinions on either side of the fence. Wether you kill 3000 people with airplanes in name of Allah or stir up a war that kills 100.000+ people in name of democracy, it's all dumbass ideology to me.

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    Idealogy stands and falls with power.

    If you're looking for scapegoats, don't look for it in idealogy. But look for it in the power people wield, distorting those idealogies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vince View Post
    What's perverse about this Islam-West confrontation is the total negligence of the peaceful people and their opinions on either side of the fence.
    We now do have opinion polls taken by reputable people of those on both sides of the fence.

    And the results on both sides of the fence are very different.

    And these polls show quite clearly that to talk in terms of moral equivalence is simply propaganda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    We now do have opinion polls taken by reputable people of those on both sides of the fence.

    And the results on both sides of the fence are very different.

    And these polls show quite clearly that to talk in terms of moral equivalence is simply propaganda.
    propaganda for what ? peace ? that's new..

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    Quote Originally Posted by vince View Post
    propaganda for what ? peace ? that's new..
    Peaceniks.

    Fellow travellers.

    Compradors.

    They're as old as the hills.

    Why, every beauty queen is in favour of World Peace.

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    Thinking you know everyones intention based on stereo-typing. Now that's propaganda.

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