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    Quote Originally Posted by Tiltyred View Post
    I can't handle the truth. So leave me in peace.
    haha, its good that you realize that fact.

    even though I'd rather have absolute truth, more power to ya!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 01011010 View Post
    I don't believe peace can really exist on a large scale. So, truth all the way.

    Edit: In my personal life, also truth. The two are mutually exclusive. Someone could tell me a very harsh truth, but I find great peace in knowing.
    that's an interesting philosophy. Nicely said, really. I quite agree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by plaguerat View Post
    well yes. I meant more along the lines of a truth that has the potential to change the opinion of those who aren't as objective as others, mainly on a large-scale society level.

    but yes, I think there's a positive and negative in everything ,no matter what. A balance of the two aspects could create peace, but I'm looking at it in an extreme sense. Like, what is better to persue in the world, ultimate truth and honesty or fudging the edges or even creating a cover-up in order to keep the masses at relative peace.

    Much of a type question, I think. Interesting to see which type tends to answer in which direction.
    Well in that case I chose the latter.

    What good is truth if it fucks everything else up.
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    truth: established facts that are imposed upon an entity which have the effect of disturbing a calm state of mind.

    peace implies a state of mind where the entity involved is at terms with it's surroundings and with itself and that the does not exhibit a contradictory school of thought.




    peace through truth is the only way to achieve lasting truth.
    the entity has to comes to terms with whatever the its existential conditions in order to have lasting peace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thisGuy View Post
    truth: established facts that are imposed upon an entity which have the effect of disturbing a calm state of mind.

    peace implies a state of mind where the entity involved is at terms with it's surroundings and with itself and that the does not exhibit a contradictory school of thought.




    peace through truth is the only way to achieve lasting truth.
    the entity has to comes to terms with whatever the its existential conditions in order to have lasting peace.

    agreed. However, in a modern world, the effect of truth on the masses is another thing entirely. While the optimal product of truth is ultimate peace, many take it in and it negatively affects them; rather than viewing it as a helping tool, they percieve it as a crippling contradiction to an unquestionable world.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgar View Post
    Well in that case I chose the latter.

    What good is truth if it fucks everything else up.
    To me truth is very closely related to an inner peace, therefore any sense of ignorance I may possess in fact does the opposite for my mind- it fucks things up. I guess I would rather be miserable and cynical than complacent and ignorant.

    Heh, I know many others feel very differently though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nanook View Post
    moral=truth plus kindness
    but maybe absolute truth cannot exist including percieved kindness
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    Quote Originally Posted by plaguerat View Post
    To me truth is very closely related to an inner peace, therefore any sense of ignorance I may possess in fact does the opposite for my mind- it fucks things up. I guess I would rather be miserable and cynical than complacent and ignorant.

    Heh, I know many others feel very differently though.
    Well in a previous question you said what was better for the masses.

    Just because something is good for you personally doesn't mean it's good for the masses.
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    but maybe absolute truth cannot exist including perceived kindness
    kindness defines a course of action. as such it is subjective. but how it is perceived is very secondary. it is relevant to actions that are not even perceived at all. you could call it sensitivity

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