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    Default I'm a little confused

    So for those who don't believe in evolution, which part of the theory do you disbelieve?

    1) That generations of life have variation.
    2) That the environment culls which part of life survives to create the next generation

    Note, many scientists, ans religious people have stated that evolution and religion can co-exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    So Finnish soldiers deserve to be honored, despite having killed others, yes or no. It's a simple question.
    Well, I guess it is more yes than no.

    So, you answer this: Is a crusade honorable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nolla View Post
    Well, I guess it is more yes than no.

    So, you answer this: Is a crusade honorable?
    Yes it is, considering that the Crusades were a response to Islamic assaults upon Christian lands over the past centuries. Even the Albigensian Crusade was largely a response to the Cathars assasinating Papal officials.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 01011010 View Post
    Empirical Evidence vs Fiction: Round 1



    You do know that the man who developed the Periodic Table was an Orthodox Christian?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Yes it is, considering that the Crusades were a response to Islamic assaults upon Christian lands over the past centuries. Even the Albigensian Crusade was largely a response to the Cathars assasinating Papal officials.
    I meant crusade as a way of getting rid of the other religions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    You do know that the man who developed the Periodic Table was an Orthodox Christian?
    That's relevant how?


    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Yes it is, considering that the Crusades were a response to Islamic assaults upon Christian lands over the past centuries. Even the Albigensian Crusade was largely a response to the Cathars assasinating Papal officials.
    Quote Originally Posted by nolla View Post
    If you don't choose to attack anyone, there is no blame. This was true for the russian soldiers also. Comparing this to a situation where individuals choose to attack another individuals belonging to a certain group is quite far fetched.
    So basically, you are both using self-defense to justify killing? How far does this extend? Are you limited to just stopping the immediate threat? Repelling completely the aggressors? Attacking the aggressors to make the point not to attack you in the future? Completely killing off the aggressors, and all related to them so that they are incapable of ever doing it again?

    Talking country level here, but maybe you think it isn't applicable at country level, and only at individual level, or vice versa, or some other weird possibility, I don't even know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nolla View Post
    I meant crusade as a way of getting rid of the other religions.
    Well I agree with St. Thomas Aquinas that it's inappropriate to force unbelievers to convert, since that means violating their free will before God.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    You do know that the man who developed the Periodic Table was an Orthodox Christian?
    It doesn't change religion being mythology. Nor did I ever deny that a religious person could also believe in science. That doesn't mean all scientists or more fact appreciative people, will accept fiction as truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Costrin View Post
    So basically, you are both using self-defense to justify killing? How far does this extend? Are you limited to just stopping the immediate threat? Repelling completely the aggressors? Attacking the aggressors to make the point not to attack you in the future? Completely killing off the aggressors, and all related to them so that they are incapable of ever doing it again?
    That isn't really the point. He just wanted to twist the issue so that religious hatred would seem like the same thing as defending your life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Costrin View Post
    That's relevant how?
    It's highly ironic to posit a contrast between the Periodic Table and Christianity, when its own developer believed in Christianity. Kinda like how the first astronomer to develop the Big Bang theory was a Catholic priest.

    So goes to further show that the ditchomy between religion and science is a false one.

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