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    Quote Originally Posted by nolla View Post
    Much of right and wrong comes from "good of community". Survival of the fittest community kinda thing, so... you might be able to find right and wrong in almost objective manner.
    A common agreed upon subjective right and wrong. For all practical purposes it might as well be an objective truth, but it isn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Costrin View Post
    Whoever or whatever benefits you is right. That's all you can really use to judge. Of course, there isn't really a wrong or right in the objective sense anyway.
    That is correct, good sir. Yet, I will still worship at the altar of lord Einstein and science, because it has tangible roots. It can be proven. Consistently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptgatsby View Post
    (And of course, I'm sure I'll have to state that evolution does not explain the origin of life, and doesn't... we are still trying to build life from inorganic materials... and while we are close that, it's not biological yet. We can only build biological machines... the whole reproduction thing is trickier. Wait a few years and that'll be different.)
    I wish I could work on a project like this, peeping through a microscope into a petri dish, laughing mechanically... "ITS ALIIIIIVE!"
    ...Then I ducked my head and the lights went out, and two guns blazed in the dark;
    And a woman screamed, and the lights went up, and two men lay stiff and stark...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    How about trying to apply science to teaching science?
    Alright then, but let's also get scrap the erronous philosophy of scientism in order to achieve that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Alright then, but let's also get scrap the erronous philosophy of scientism in order to achieve that.
    Philosophy of scientism?
    Go to sleep, iguana.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    You claimed that religion has no place in education because it teaches to honor people who killed others. So Im asking if you consistently believe in this when it comes to the men who fought to defend your country, since they killed others. Should they, or should they not be honored in your view?
    If you don't choose to attack anyone, there is no blame. This was true for the russian soldiers also. Comparing this to a situation where individuals choose to attack another individuals belonging to a certain group is quite far fetched.

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    The philosophical precept that science is the ultimate source of all truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Costrin View Post
    A common agreed upon subjective right and wrong. For all practical purposes it might as well be an objective truth, but it isn't.
    Good enough for me. It is so much closer than religions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nolla View Post
    If you don't choose to attack anyone, there is no blame. This was true for the russian soldiers also.
    So Finnish soldiers deserve to be honored, despite having killed others, yes or no. It's a simple question.

    Comparing this to a situation where individuals choose to attack another individuals belonging to a certain group is quite far fetched.
    Actually no it isn't. In fact on many levels it's very similar if not the same thing. You're hair-splitting here.

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    Empirical Evidence vs Fiction: Round 1




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