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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    That's very good.

    And you ask a good question - what is the right direction?

    Really the best thing is to ask a question and pause and wait for the answer - for every question contains its own answer.

    You listen to the question. And turn it over. Let it percolate.

    And almost by magic the answer will let itself be known.

    All you have to do is listen.
    I like this, thanks. It gives me hope.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatsWhatHeSaid View Post
    how do you distinguish between real mismatches and neurotic idealism?
    That can be difficult, but my take on it has to do with the nature of the flaw. Is it a core conflict or something on the surface? That might not always be a clear way to distinguish, but it can be. For me in my career a core conflict is a highly competitive environment because I'm not able to function and communicate in that game-playing one-ups-man-ship kind of way. My work now has its flaws, but at least I am able to function and communicate in it consistently and even when I'm worn out.

    In relationships, does it seem like the conflict undermines one or both people at a core level? For example "stop feeling that" or "start feeling that" kind of needs simply can't be met. A person can only be and feel what is true to themselves. I wonder if the first step has to do with knowing how oneself feels about personal flaws/perfection. If it feels too hard to accept personal flaws, then maybe external flaws seem worse and like something to be avoided.

    In some ways a perfect relationship or job might be a bit much to take. There might not be any room to grow, but to just maintain the perfection. The constant searching for something better sounds related to a desire to grow, but maybe that growth/progress is best experienced inside the flawed context? It's possible for flaws to be comforting in a way, and they can also be the source of a unique journey. It isn't particularly interesting to remember perfection, but how off-kilter the journey was.
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    I've always taken discontent as a sign that something must be lacking, on my end or on the end of whatever is in question. Its always been a sign to me that it's time to move on- why bother sticking around with something that's unfulfilling?

    Of course, moving on is one of my talents, but sometimes moving makes you feel more alive than stagnation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by toonia View Post
    That can be difficult, but my take on it has to do with the nature of the flaw. Is it a core conflict or something on the surface? That might not always be a clear way to distinguish, but it can be. For me in my career a core conflict is a highly competitive environment because I'm not able to function and communicate in that game-playing one-ups-man-ship kind of way. My work now has its flaws, but at least I am able to function and communicate in it consistently and even when I'm worn out.

    In relationships, does it seem like the conflict undermines one or both people at a core level? For example "stop feeling that" or "start feeling that" kind of needs simply can't be met. A person can only be and feel what is true to themselves. I wonder if the first step has to do with knowing how oneself feels about personal flaws/perfection. If it feels too hard to accept personal flaws, then maybe external flaws seem worse and like something to be avoided.

    In some ways a perfect relationship or job might be a bit much to take. There might not be any room to grow, but to just maintain the perfection. The constant searching for something better sounds related to a desire to grow, but maybe that growth/progress is best experienced inside the flawed context? It's possible for flaws to be comforting in a way, and they can also be the source of a unique journey. It isn't particularly interesting to remember perfection, but how off-kilter the journey was.
    What a nice reply.

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    I guess my question is whether you truly feel its without or within.

    If you see something not work for you, and move to something else, and it gets better.. obviously it is without.. but. I can't help but think that changing within your life with only temporary results would be within.. Mayhap the reasons behind the discontent aren't on the surface. I suppose then your question would lead to another question then, instead of turning into an answer. Or maybe the answer is just more questions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sytpg View Post
    Problem is when the answer is too subjective to bear any practicality.
    Then you ask, what is the practical solution?

    And you pause and wait and listen, and you are sure to hear the answer.

    The most important thing is the question.

    So it is most important to ask a good question.

    Each question is pregnant - and each answer is your baby to live with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toonia View Post
    That can be difficult, but my take on it has to do with the nature of the flaw. Is it a core conflict or something on the surface?
    I think generally it has been something deep. I ended the last 3 relationships because I didn't feel understood. I tend to spend a lot of times in my ideas and seek intimacy with myself and with my surroundings. The people I dated, I felt, weren't there with me, inhabiting the same world I do with the same language and same perception. By "same" I don't mean identical, but same style and same drive. I guess I spend a lot of time developing a clear lens to observe things and am looking for someone with a similar lens.

    The thing is, I don't always trust my assessments, because I know how expectations can distort perception, so it's tricky. Anyway...I don't want this to turn into a whiny personal thread, but I thought I'd share in case you experienced something like that.

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    You mean is the discontent due to internal or external circumstances?

    I think you probably know your weak spots and fears better than any of us.

    I will speak only for me and perhaps provide some comparison and contrast?

    For me, my dissatisfaction with things comes from the fear that I'm missing out or 'not doing the right thing'. Like there was a manual to my life and I somehow lost it at birth and will never recover it.

    I do not want to be deprived. I do not want to miss out. I do not want to fail at The Thing I Was Meant To Do. Or miss My Soul Mate. And I definitely do not want to fail at being the Person I Was Meant To Be. And no, I do NOT Want to Settle.

    Enneatypes and learning more about the enneagram has been helping me understand how fears and coping mechanisms cause me to act the way I do (thanks Spongie!) 7w6.

    The solution is: Yes, keep looking in a conscientious way and not just go through the motions or spin your wheels. But more important is to learn to be still inside, calm yourself, and learn discernment and sacrifice. Face your fears and learn the truth they are trying to tell you so you can make the best decision for yourself.

    I will never get where I want to be or even be happy by constantly jumping and searching, eventually I will have to find what it is that I want and hold fast and work for it. Weather the unideal moments, the snags, the hard parts. Learn discernment and through that, virtue.

    How will you know when you find the elusive "it"? That's really a decision that you make. You just have to dig your heels in and do it and work through that initial resistance.

    Hopefully, once you push through that, you can see your situation with true clarity.

    Dissatisfaction can be a sign that you should or shouldn't do something. Hoewever, when your warning system is all haywire and pre-emptive and constantly going off -- you can't trust those 'gut feelings' because you don't know what they are or their true significance.

    So, sounds like a sucky answer, you may just have to buckle down and stick with things you don't like until you learn to recognize your signals for what they are. Commit yourself long enough to learn from experience.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Then you ask, what is the practical solution?

    And you pause and wait and listen, and you are sure to hear the answer.

    The most important thing is the question.

    So it is most important to ask a good question.

    Each question is pregnant - and each answer is your baby to live with.
    Bad kids can make you miserable, though, no matter how much you love (or want to love) them.

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