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    Default Do you believe in hope without despair?

    My friend got a tattoo that says "hope without despair" and I guess I'm a little pessimistic (or a real moron) but I don't believe it. What say you? Explain pretty please.

    On a side note: the tattoo looks mighty awesome.

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    Depends what you're hoping for I'd think. There's people that hope for world peace and don't even have to wipe their own ass. Is that real hope? Not sure.



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    In my experience, hope is poisonous.

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    I think despair is a nasty side effect of hope. There's no bravery without fear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kyuuei View Post
    I think despair is a nasty side effect of hope.

    I so agree.

    Hope is over-rated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cloakofsnow View Post
    I so agree.

    Hope is over-rated.
    No, its not; without hope, there is only despair.

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    Hope is the antidote to despair. How the fuck can you have hope with despair?

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    Peguy is right:

    Hope - the feeling that what is wanted can be had or that events will turn out for the best
    Despair - to lose, give up, or be without hope

    Hope is, by definition, without despair.

    Illogical optimism might lead to despair, because one may be let down from their hope and become helpless, but these are clearly different states, hope and despair cannot coexist at the same point in time.

    Edit: On second thought, maybe what is meant here is "hope without suffering". They are different terms, but substituting despair with suffering seems to make more sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyuuei View Post
    I think despair is a nasty side effect of hope. There's no bravery without fear.
    Hurray for kyuuei. Not so odd we'd agree.

    In truth I don't believe in hope at all. I find it to be a useless stance. Puts me in mind of CSNY and their "helplessly hoping." That's the kind of feeling I have when I rely on hope to pull me through tough times. Hanging by a thread wishing something would come along and save me. No thanks.

    I much prefer preparedness, inner strength and faith to guide my actions. Preparedness to handle what my fate will bring me and faith that I will be able to walk through it.

    The Spanish speaking peoples have a word I like quite a bit. I imagine that it comes from the time when the Moorish culture was dominant in Spain. The word is ojala'. I believe it roughly translates to "I hope." One day I was pondering the word and thought perhaps a more accurate translation could be "If Allah is willing." Anyone know?

    For me that attitude alligns me with those things which I have no power over. Paradoxically, if feels like a warrior stance to me.

    Interestingly, since I have readjusted my attitude regarding a passive, hopeful stance, I feel much more confident.
    "No ray of sunshine is ever lost, but the green which it awakes into existence needs time to sprout, and it is not always granted to the sower to see the harvest. All work that is worth anything is done in faith." - Albert Schweitzer

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    Why do you assume hope is just passive?

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