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    Hm...definitely good points. I can see how gays often do serve as a scapegoat. And there certainly has been a lot of power and money to be made in playing up the moral panic of the homosexual threat.
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    Hmmm, watched the first 5 so far.

    I was raised as a protestant (anglican - now an agnostic) and found what the bible said, vs what certain people said that it said...

    I remember having to go through studies of the bible and realised that despite the focus on the "pink bits" (eg the sexual side) by many evangelical/fundmentalists/literalists. But the main thing I saw was the issue of the "green bits" (Greenbacks!) - ie there was way more exhortations to not hoard and in fact to give away wealth.

    Then my Cousin studied to become an Anglican priest (she was a kindergarten teacher) and she stayed with me some of her study time. It was a great chance to check issues such as this out. Basically we had long discussions and she was even doing the whole ancient greek to go back to original texts.

    The basic premise of this doco - that it is not so clearly biblically a big deal (ie abomination being to do with ritual as discussed NOT some terrible sin early on) is pretty much the case. What is clear is all the things to do with material stuff are the most dominant themes. Looking after fellow humans with love and generosity and unconditionally is the message!

    But that message does not suit certain people who claim to be christians...

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    Quote Originally Posted by creativeRhino View Post
    But that message does not suit certain people who claim to be christians...
    This does seem to point to the existence of Original Sin.

    But without Original Sin, none of us would be original at all.

    And to be original we need both sin and virtue.

    We need to be both tempted and inspired.

    To be original, the great battle of good and evil needs to be fought out in our hearts.

    In order to be accepted, we can present ourselves as virtuous. But then sin only goes underground. And we never discover our own originality.

    But originality is written into our very genes.

    Our genes are digital, that is, they are based on a binary distinction.

    And we can represent this distinction as O and 1. Or we can represent this distinction as sin and virtue.

    If I were a computer like the HAL 9000, I would go for O and 1.

    But as I am a person, I prefer sin and virtue.

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    [youtube=MeSSwKffj9o]I stand in awe[/youtube]
    http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...ml#post1161526

    "They the type of cats who pollute the whole shoreline. Have it purified. Sell it for a $1.25"

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    Man, watching that was actually really depressing--seeing how we still have a long way to go. I thought it was almost melodramatic in places, but then realised it's probably because I'm never exposed to this level of bigotry and homophobia anywhere, but then you watch it and it's like, wow this is serious. And it was sad that it took a daughter's suicide for that mother to finally question what she was taught by the church--augh augh agh depressing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    This does seem to point to the existence of Original Sin.

    But without Original Sin, none of us would be original at all.

    And to be original we need both sin and virtue.

    We need to be both tempted and inspired.
    Can you explain this point further?

    What do tempted and inspired have to do with sin and virtue?

    Why does original sin make us original?

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    Thanks for this Kiddo, I love any excuse to be passively angry at a group of people.

    Actually, maybe I'm no better.


    So far my favourite quote is:

    ABSOLUTE MORON: But see, also gay bashing is kind of fun, you know.

    REPORTER: It's kind of fun?

    AM: 'Cause um, when they, when they come out of their like gay bars and stuff and you rock in and you beat 'em up and they're like, "Oh leave me alone," they're so fa... eugh, (shudders) you know, they're like faggots.

    R: Wimpy, is that what you're saying?

    AM: Yeah, not wimpy but, they're just like, you know, gay.
    Why do we always come here?

    I guess we'll never know.

    It's like a kind of torture,
    To have to watch this show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    As an aside: Sodom and Gamorrah is interesting.

    If you read the story, the context clearly is that the visitors were going to be raped not because the townspeople were into gay sex, but because they wanted to humiliate the outsiders. (Essentially a gang rape.)

    Hospitality was a Big Deal to the Jews.
    Outsiders were supposed to be accorded respect.
    For them to be treated this way is a vile offense according to their custom.

    This is the cross-reference to the New Testament, where Sodom is accused not of homosexuality as its primary sin but a lack of hospitality and damned because of that.
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    Being materialistic meanies and trying to make sure no body wanted to come and take from them (rumours alone of being raped would be a good way to get people to get to give the place a miss??) - that was the interpretation I worked out when I was in my early 20s.

    To me the really horrendous thing is that it may be bad enough to misrepresent something "in passing", but to make a whole industry out of "homosexuality bashing" is downright evil.

    My cousin the priest was one of the people cheering Gene being "bishoped".

    Next time I have to listen to a nutter pushing the bogus line I will quiz them about their consumption of crustaceans!!! Fight fire with fire (and brimstone!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evan View Post
    Can you explain this point further?

    What do tempted and inspired have to do with sin and virtue?

    Why does original sin make us original?
    Well, the meaning of my communication is its response.

    And the response is that I should give the meaning of my communication. But you have already given the meaning in the response. But the response asks for the meaning. And so on.

    This is circular logic and gets us nowhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Well, the meaning of my communication is its response.

    And the response is that I should give the meaning of my communication. But you have already given the meaning in the response. But the response asks for the meaning. And so on.

    This is circular logic and gets us nowhere.
    Well put! Enjoy the Festive season, Vic.

    Cheers!

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