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    That was the most memorable part of the episode. I couldn't stop laughing when I first heard it, and Im a devout Catholic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    That was the most memorable part of the episode. I couldn't stop laughing when I first heard it, and Im a devout Catholic.
    I caught it at the end tho', I'll be sure to look out for it next time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Yeah, some seem to have a very odd relationship with homosexuality. I remember reading a study on how people with negative and unfavorable positions on homosexuality were shown various sexual images, and they were shown to get more aroused by the homosexual images than the people with an accepting and tolerant attitude towards homosexuality.
    You are probably talking about this study...

    YouTube - The Truth About Homophobes

    http://www.oogachaga.com/downloads/h...al_arousal.pdf

    Right?

    Small sample though and far from conclusive, but it was definitely an interesting result.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddo View Post
    You are probably talking about this study...

    YouTube - The Truth About Homophobes

    http://www.oogachaga.com/downloads/h...al_arousal.pdf

    Right?

    Small sample though and far from conclusive, but it was definitely an interesting result.
    Yeah this must be it. Nice video they made out of it. It would be interesting if the idea of homosexual homophobes becomes more well-known and popular... mostly because it's so controversial.

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    What a moving film. I think it's so important for people to come out for some of the many reasons illustrated in the film. I believe there will always be a percentage of society that rejects homosexuality, but times are changing.

    Bishop Gene Robinson living his truth, speaks for itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 01011010 View Post
    Interesting excerpt:
    As an aside: Sodom and Gamorrah is interesting.

    If you read the story, the context clearly is that the visitors were going to be raped not because the townspeople were into gay sex, but because they wanted to humiliate the outsiders. (Essentially a gang rape.)

    Hospitality was a Big Deal to the Jews.
    Outsiders were supposed to be accorded respect.
    For them to be treated this way is a vile offense according to their custom.

    This is the cross-reference to the New Testament, where Sodom is accused not of homosexuality as its primary sin but a lack of hospitality and damned because of that.

    In any case, this particular video is one I hear being touted a great deal by the MCC denominations and other churches that do not exclude gays from their congregations.

    Another good documentary involving both gay and trans themes is "Red Without Blue," focusing on two identical twins, one of whom identifies as gay and the other as trans. It doesn't deal with religion overtly, and the story is more personal rather than broad, but the family and social dynamics revolve around similar themes.
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    Discouraging unconventional social behavior always seems more about working to prevent non-traditional activities from influencing majority perspective (thereby weakening established hierarchy) than protecting pop concepts like morality or religious culture.

    In this case, it seems religion simply offers a powerful deterrent (final damnation) as a bulwark strategy to protect the bottom line of those in political/fiscal control of a community of people. Homosexuality has been offered as a moral panic -- as a theme, it's been unfairly twisted to appear as an apparent threat to traditional reproductive behavior and domestic routine.

    Whether it would actually threaten the religion itself isn't as important as the perception that it could change the way people behave and therefore negatively redefine a culture away from those who benefit from the way things have been.

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    I'm currently on Part 4 of this. It looks pretty interesting so far.

    I've read every passage in the Bible that refers to "homosexuality" (or as close as it gets in ancient terms), and overall it seems pretty vague. The most important passage I think is Acts 15. The focus of Acts 15 is actually more on circumcision, and while Paul is saying that circumcision is not necessary for anyone who is not culturally Jewish, at the same time he also throws out (almost) all of the other Old Testament laws.

    I say almost because the two things he says to keep from Leviticus are the dietary laws and the sexual laws. This of course begs the question, "why these laws specifically", and in truth I really don't know. If you look at Leviticus, some of the laws were clearly for sanitation purposes (like burying your feces or washing in running water), some had an obvious moral element (like leaving food in the fields for foreign people to eat), and others were obviously for cultural Jews (like circumcision and the feasts). What category do the sexual laws fall under? I think it's vague enough the people can intrepet it essentially any way they want to.

    The main conclusion that I come to is however one interprets the sexual laws, they should also interpret the dietary laws the same way. Anyone who thinks homosexuality is an abomination should seriously lay off the pork chops. Why don't people do this? Because the issue is really not about religion. It's about people finding a scapegoat for their problems and prejudices. The Bible is actually more clear about condemning divorce, so why isn't there a big outcry against divorce? Because a lot of church goers are divorced. (I am just picking divorce as one example, there are actually lots of others.)

    So essentially homosexuality is really a cultural issue that people try to disguise as a religious issue (or at very least this is what the leaders do). I'm not really singling out homophobes for doing this, since there are other situations where one issue is disguised as another so people can save face, but it still doesn't make it the right thing to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 01011010 View Post
    What a moving film. I think it's so important for people to come out for some of the many reasons illustrated in the film. I believe there will always be a percentage of society that rejects homosexuality, but times are changing.

    Bishop Gene Robinson living his truth, speaks for itself.

    Thanks again for watching it and sharing your thoughts. The story of the Bishop actually did a lot to redeem Christianity in my eyes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    As an aside: Sodom and Gamorrah is interesting.

    If you read the story, the context clearly is that the visitors were going to be raped not because the townspeople were into gay sex, but because they wanted to humiliate the outsiders. (Essentially a gang rape.)

    Hospitality was a Big Deal to the Jews.
    Outsiders were supposed to be accorded respect.
    For them to be treated this way is a vile offense according to their custom.

    This is the cross-reference to the New Testament, where Sodom is accused not of homosexuality as its primary sin but a lack of hospitality and damned because of that.

    In any case, this particular video is one I hear being touted a great deal by the MCC denominations and other churches that do not exclude gays from their congregations.

    Another good documentary involving both gay and trans themes is "Red Without Blue," focusing on two identical twins, one of whom identifies as gay and the other as trans. It doesn't deal with religion overtly, and the story is more personal rather than broad, but the family and social dynamics revolve around similar themes.
    Thanks for watching. I'll definitely give "Red Without Blue" a look.

    Personally, I'm always worried that so much attention gets paid to the gay side of the gender role issue that people forget that there is a transsexual side as well. It's like whenever one subordinate group makes progress another one is left behind to take over a lot of the crap.

    Quote Originally Posted by Night View Post
    Discouraging unconventional social behavior always seems more about working to prevent non-traditional activities from influencing majority perspective (thereby weakening established hierarchy) than protecting pop concepts like morality or religious culture.

    In this case, it seems religion simply offers a powerful deterrent (final damnation) as a bulwark strategy to protect the bottom line of those in political/fiscal control of a community of people. Homosexuality has been offered as a moral panic -- as a theme, it's been unfairly twisted to appear as an apparent threat to traditional reproductive behavior and domestic routine.

    Whether it would actually threaten the religion itself isn't as important as the perception that it could change the way people behave and therefore negatively redefine a culture away from those who benefit from the way things have been.
    That is an interesting sociological perspective on the issue. I'll have to give that some thought.

    Quote Originally Posted by The_Liquid_Laser View Post
    So essentially homosexuality is really a cultural issue that people try to disguise as a religious issue (or at very least this is what the leaders do). I'm not really singling out homophobes for doing this, since there are other situations where one issue is disguised as another so people can save face, but it still doesn't make it the right thing to do.
    I think once prejudice can no longer be supported by the facts, that people are forced to use subjective arguments, such as their religious/intuitive beliefs, to make a case. But I agree in large part with the film. What has made people apprehensive of sexuality is the inherent patriarchal structure of our society. And homosexuality, feminism, and transsexualism are all seen as threats to that traditionally established structure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddo View Post
    I think once prejudice can no longer be supported by the facts, that people are forced to use subjective arguments, such as their religious/intuitive beliefs, to make a case.
    Actually if prejudice is supported by "facts", then it's worse, because it can be more deceptive. As Mark Twain is often quoted as saying, "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."

    But I agree in large part with the film. What has made people apprehensive of sexuality is the inherent patriarchal structure of our society. And homosexuality, feminism, and transsexualism are all seen as threats to that traditionally established structure.
    I agree that is one aspect, but I think there is a cause that is more fundamental than that. Many people need a scapegoat so that they can feel more comfortable with their own inadequacies. Right now homosexuals make an easy scapegoat. In the past African Americans used to have more of that focus, but it's no longer acceptable to openly discriminate against them, so the focus has shifted to homosexuals. Here is an example from wikipedia:

    A number of prominent members of the Christian right, including Jerry Falwell and Rousas John Rushdoony, have in the past supported segregation, with Falwell arguing in a 1958 sermon that integration will lead to the destruction of the white race. He later claimed he changed his views.
    Christian right - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    I mention this example in particular, because I think the leaders of these anti-gay initiatives are mostly just playing on people's prejudices to get power. I'm not even sure how much they believe what they are saying. Falwell used to be for segregation, but once that stopped being acceptable he switched to an anti-gay message. This is the sort of thing that plays out not only in religion, but in any human institution where significant power can be gained (politics, business, etc...). In this case though it is fairly easy to point out.
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