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    Quote Originally Posted by kyuuei View Post
    I think this is a sad way of thinking. Refute it all as false and oppose it.. but then when you realize that your way of thinking doesn't totally provide you with the comfort you need at the end, you take it all back? You're essentially preaching to the world something that not every fiber of your being believes in. Infact, enough of you doesn't believe it to revert back to the very thing you preach against. Essentially, you lie to everyone.

    If you're atheist, that's your call. It's just sad to see people SO opposed to something that they can't open their mind long enough to realize they wanted it all along.
    I won't cover the specifics, but your post is very presumpuous. The last paragraph also smacks a little of "more righteous than thou." Do you consider yourself more righteous than all non-Christians? (Note: While you havn't explicitly said you're Christian, I'm assuming you are.)

    Also, OP, what was the point of presenting us with this article? You've implied some sort of discussion material but have yet to come out and say it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nozflubber View Post
    If I converted on my deathbed to catholicism, (my) God would send me to hell for being weak in the face of death and despair,
    When I die and go before my god, he will ask me, "What is the riddle of steel?" If I don't know it, he will cast me out of Valhalla and laugh at me. That's Crom, strong on his mountain!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    The founder of Italian Communism had deathbed conversion -Times Online


    Well may he rest with Christ.

    This was quite common in the 20th century and still is today, when conversions to Catholicism was/is quite common among many influential intellectual and literary figures. This is true even after years of harsh opposition to the faith.

    So for all the atheists here, there's still hope for you!

    I am watching this post and for some reason I think that I am one of the main targets of of the comment in the end.

    I would not say you are right and I will explain my claim.


    The thing is that I refuse to believe in things that are foundations of spirituality.
    The thing is that I think that purpose is something that is man made and does not exist in reality. Because of this there is no need to start looking for truth in methaphysical. I don't think there is actually a problem that needs to be solved. I think that humanity is too limited to understand and/or to see reality as it really is.


    I am sure that I will not change my mind because I am not interested at all into things that religion (such as Christianity) has to offer me.
    For me heaven and hell are exactly the same. People find this funny but that is what I think. If I have to chose between Heaven ,Hell and real death I would chose real death at any time. Since living for a eternity leads to so much problems that I think it is not worth it.
    It is totally irrelevant if God exists or not if there is no afterlife.
    Not to mention that determinism in this world is destroying all standards which are needed to judge peoples actions as good or evil.


    Personally I think that mankinds destiny is to become extinct and I don't see it as a problem. That is because I am not living in fear as many on this world.
    I think that entire religion and spirituality are nothing more then a fear managment and control of fears. (or joy)


    Why would I need/want God to love me? I never loved anyone in that way and to tell you the truth I don't know what I would do with his love.



    As for that guy.
    If that makes you happy enjoy.
    For me, in this kinds of things he is irrelevant. Which is because he is a just a communist. His "job" is purely earthy, when you attack him with teological argumants his position falls appart.
    Also your side can provide all things he actually seeks in life. What he understood in the end.


    If I attack him with a mix of hard science and some logical arguments his position will also fall apart.
    Both of this scenarios are possible because he is not big picture thinker, he is just a person with his political belifs.
    For me communism is flawed in a very similar way as religion. Which is because both place man and his needs in the centre of their philosophy.

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    The power of Christ compels you Antisocial!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kyuuei View Post
    I think this is a sad way of thinking. Refute it all as false and oppose it.. but then when you realize that your way of thinking doesn't totally provide you with the comfort you need at the end, you take it all back? You're essentially preaching to the world something that not every fiber of your being believes in. Infact, enough of you doesn't believe it to revert back to the very thing you preach against. Essentially, you lie to everyone.

    I can sympathize with the idea that when you're about to die you don't care about this world anymore. Your own selfish desires command you more than ever. That includes selfless acts - ultimately they serve to soothe your conscience.

    I hate hypocrisy, but if I was about to die and for some reason thought it likelier that God existed at that time, I'd do the same.

    Only I think that is very very unlikely to happen to me.

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    Looks like the brain partially died before the rest of the body

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    Another idiotic topic by Peguy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    The founder of Italian Communism had deathbed conversion -Times Online


    Well may he rest with Christ.

    This was quite common in the 20th century and still is today, when conversions to Catholicism was/is quite common among many influential intellectual and literary figures. This is true even after years of harsh opposition to the faith.

    So for all the atheists here, there's still hope for you!
    It does not matter what you call the Big Brother.
    He is always there, lurking.

    For your benefit, of course.
    Let the rest of the world suffer.
    It is bad, bad.

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    Cancer is also a good cure for Athiesm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    The power of Christ compels you Antisocial!
    What are you trying to say with this?


    As I said, you and I are living in separated worlds.

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