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    Victor, tell me about what kind of music you are imagining, or, indeed, listening to, as you dance. Is the music a waltz ? Or something more modern, like 12 tone or John Cage ? Do you eve have artners who danc with you ?
    "The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them that they are being attacked and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."
    Reichsfuhrer Herman Goering at the Nuremburg trials.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post


    But the inner of each of us is crying out for recognition and contact. But we are simply unable to reach out and hold hands.
    Just poppin' in to remind you not to speak for all of us, Victor.
    "No ray of sunshine is ever lost, but the green which it awakes into existence needs time to sprout, and it is not always granted to the sower to see the harvest. All work that is worth anything is done in faith." - Albert Schweitzer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiver View Post
    I do not agree with this opinion. Learning to fully understand the meaning in Victor's body of posts is no different and no easier than learning to see the meaning in another poster's consistently fluffy posts.
    Oh. Well, that's probably true.

    But I meant in general, I don't like the idea of being trained to read anyone's posts. I tend not to read the majority of consistently fluffy posts either. I have this tendency to expect other people to either communicate the way I prefer or I won't pay very much attention to their posts [or them in real life] unless I know they have something valuable to say--which is all maybe a rather self-serving thing to do and also quite unreasonable for me to expect, but so it is. That's why it's so great I've learned about MBTI and how different people have different communication styles--oh in time I will learn.

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    You don't need to be trained by anyone, Placebo, and are probably wise to resist such domination "for your own good." If you should ever want to learn more you'll be your own best teacher. Yup.
    "No ray of sunshine is ever lost, but the green which it awakes into existence needs time to sprout, and it is not always granted to the sower to see the harvest. All work that is worth anything is done in faith." - Albert Schweitzer

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anja View Post
    You don't need to be trained by anyone, Placebo, and are probably wise to resist such domination "for your own good." If you should ever want to learn more you'll be your own best teacher. Yup.
    Thank you, that's sweet I get antsy when people disagree with me lol...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anja View Post
    Just poppin' in to remind you not to speak for all of us, Victor.
    I am constantly told this Anja. But group fantasy informs us all.

    Of course group fantasy is not talked about. In fact it is stored religiously in the unconscious. And it is guarded by a taboo.

    You are a good and kind person Anja so when you see me breaking the taboo, you gently and tactfully remind me not to go there.

    In the Mythos the underworld is guarded by two dragons. In other words, the unconscious is guarded by taboos.

    And as you know it was Sigmund Freud who started to make the unconscious, conscious in the face of European Fascism.

    Unfortunately he came a little early and European Fascism drove him out of Europe.

    But today, the electronic media, or the Noosphere, is ineluctably making the unconscious, conscious.

    Naturally this is met with reaction as it was in Europe seventy years ago.

    Fortunately the Noosphere Fascists will not be able to close down the internet as it is designed to withstand even nuclear attack.

    But the Authoritarians will continue to try and enforce their taboos against knowing who we are.

    Lloyd Demause will continue to write about group fantasy and the Noosphere will continue to provide hungry ears.

    And before long the taboo will become quaint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kuranes View Post
    Victor, tell me about what kind of music you are imagining, or, indeed, listening to, as you dance. Is the music a waltz ? Or something more modern, like 12 tone or John Cage ? Do you eve have artners who danc with you ?
    These are two good questions.

    And when I slow dance I don't dance to music.

    Rather I follow the movements themselves.

    So rather than following the external rhythm of music, I follow the internal rhythm of my own very slow movements.

    However I would emphasise it does really feel like dancing. And I expect it looks like dancing.

    Another way of saying this is that I don't enter a hypnotic trance with external music, rather I enter a meditative trance by being aware of my internal movements.

    Hypnosis and meditation are both trances but hypnosis is part external and part internal, while meditation is entirely internal.

    Or with hypnosis you form a loop with the external, while with meditation you form an internal loop.

    And no I don't have a partner to dance with me. But I would like such a partner. And I would like someone who is relaxed about moving in and out of trance, and who can use trance for good purposes.

    However when I dance in public, those who watch partake to some degree in the dance trance. So I never feel alone - I feel I am dancing in company.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bananatrombones View Post
    Victor, I read this a few days ago and thought about it alot, as it reminded me of a dream I had a few months ago. In the dream a dance craze had swept the country, called "the do". (- Weirdly, the music of Sinn Sisamouth featured heavily.) This was paradoxical, as "the do" was more a "don't", involving nothing more than standing still. As was pointed out during the dream, "even if you don't do the do you can do the do". Time would become non-linear; and as no fancy moves were required, it was highly inclusive! All you had to do was stop "doing". Central to this was the fact it was epidemic and the slowing to a stop universal.

    But I rather like your idea.

    Cheers!
    Yes, Bananatrombones, this is doing the do in Trafalgar Square. It is called the Global Freeze, just click on -

    YouTube - The Great Trafalgar Square Freeze

    But I don't freeze at all. I keep moving all the time. However my movements are very, very slow. But they are perceptible and can be seen and followed quite easily.

    Sometimes my slow dance is mistaken for Tai Chi but it is not Tai Chi.

    Tai Chi is following an external pattern of movement - Tai Chi is choreographed while slow dancing is spontaneous.

    Tai Chi is a reflection of the outer, while slow dancing expresses the inner.

    Slow dancing is the inner in the outer world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    I am constantly told this Anja. But group fantasy informs us all.

    I assume you are talking of the collective unconscious here, Victor. Hee.

    Some day you and I, and others so inclined, will have to do the slow dance of unmasking the Great Frood for the impostor that he was.

    NOT because he was Jewish, but because he was a conspirator in the trance of paeodophillia/drug addiction. And, I may add that even those, sometimes maybe those, can do the trance dance well. He posited many interesting and applicable ideas. Too bad about the other stuff.

    *Watches Victor slip, in slow motion, on a banana peel and gracefully fall to the sidewalk. Giggles in a most unkind and unbecoming manner secretly grateful that it wasn't she.*
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    Quote Originally Posted by placebo View Post
    ...how different people have different communication styles...
    So just as the medium is the message, the style is the sense.

    And style, of course, is unconscious - it is very difficult to fake style.

    So our style reveals our true self.

    How interesting that MBTI is interested in style just when the Noosphere is making style visible.

    MBTI gives us a way of talking about style - MBTI is a template of style.

    Just as the internet is making the unconscious, conscious, MBTI comes along to help us order our new perceptions.

    No wonder MBTI is so popular.

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