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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackmail! View Post
    I fear you confuse tangent metaphor, with clarity in depth.

    Victor's post is very clear, very accurate. But it's dense, because each word has a purpose, despite their subtle sense of irony. You can't skip any.

    Placebo: What kind of books do you usually read? Maybe you simply aren't trained enough to read Victor's style?
    Victor is a very fast thinker, considerably more erudite than the average poster here. And I would understand It's not always easy to follow his pace.
    Perhaps I am not trained enough, but I find it unfortune that people must be trained to read a specific poster's posts. I have admitted that I am not prone to reading poetry, and I have indicated that I believe Victor's posts to be very poetic. So have I not already made this point anyway?

    And it is also a matter of interest. Unfortunately, I am one of those people who tend not to read things that they don't find interesting or relevant or worth the effort.

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    Quote Originally Posted by placebo View Post
    Perhaps I am not trained enough, but I find it unfortune that people must be trained to read a specific poster's posts. I have admitted that I am not prone to reading poetry, and I have indicated that I believe Victor's posts to be very poetic. So have I not already made this point anyway?

    And it is also a matter of interest. Unfortunately, I am one of those people who tend not to read things that they don't find interesting or relevant or worth the effort.
    Blackmail understands that in wine there is truth.

    So perhaps, dear Placebo, if you prime yourself with two generous glasses of a good red wine, and perhaps a nice cheese, you might find something in my posts.

    But if you find nothing, at least you will have two delicious glasses of wine and a taste of cheese.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Blackmail understands that in wine there is truth.

    So perhaps, dear Placebo, if you prime yourself with two generous glasses of a good red wine, and perhaps a nice cheese, you might find something in my posts.

    But if you find nothing, at least you have two delicious glasses of wine and a taste of cheese.

    See there is a slight beauty in your posts because it can be interpreted in many ways.

    Wine or whine?

    Wine = poetry in general, or your posts?

    Two generous glasses of a good red wine and perhaps a nice cheese = a lot of poetry reading or 2 or 3 of your posts?

    Having two generous glasses of good red wine and perhaps a nice cheese = having read a lot of good poetic stuff, or having trudged my way through some of your posts?

    In any case, here I admit and reveal my great disability in understanding metaphor and I may one day decide to 'prime' myself in the study of it, but perhaps not soon.

    In the case of the second interpretation, I have attempted to read many of Victor's longer more poetic posts and have not found much worth in it, in my eyes. They are unique, but they are, in a sense, just like any other's.

    And in such a case, I will say, stop trying to pass your posts off as a fancy meal, because it is not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by placebo View Post
    And in such a case, I will say, stop trying to pass your posts off as a fancy meal, because it is not.
    Chacon son got.

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    Quote Originally Posted by placebo View Post
    In the case of the second interpretation, I have attempted to read many of Victor's longer more poetic posts and have not found much worth in it, in my eyes. They are unique, but they are, in a sense, just like any other's.

    And in such a case, I will say, stop trying to pass your posts off as a fancy meal, because it is not.
    . . . ?



    I think, Victor, that I will never find a compliment so endearing as one veiled in insult.

    Threatened. By whom?

    Not by you, Victor. You are the object.
    Beware the subject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Chacon son got.
    TOOSHAY :rolli:

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    ...?



    I think, Victor, that I will never find a compliment so endearing as one veiled in insult.

    Threatened. By whom?

    Not by you, Victor. You are the object.
    Beware the subject.
    lol what

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    Quote Originally Posted by placebo View Post
    lol what
    Precisely, my friend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Well, my dear Hmm, consider what I am doing.

    I am being completely vulnerable in public and at the same time I am protecting myself.

    I normally do this by entering a trance which allows me to be both vulnerable and protected.

    So the first reason I would think of wearing a mask is to provide protection. But a mask would seem to be redundant.

    So perhaps the mask might provide another purpose. Perhaps it is a dramatic purpose to draw attention to myself.

    But I suspect it is to take attention off my naked face.

    Also a mask makes the viewer more comfortable because they are no longer looking at a naked human being.

    So without the mask I am being fully myself in public - and I am a threat to all those who wear the quotidian mask of everyday.

    While with the mask I become another entertainer - and I entertain.

    So it gets down to a choice between ecstasy and entertainment.

    Which would you prefer?
    Seeing you in the mask would make me more comfortable because I would not have to see your humanness. And if I can't see that you are human, then I can't go into an immediate trance along with you, as you said. You would simply become a performer or entertainer, which can provoke a trance but takes more time and is not guaranteed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Night View Post
    Precisely, my friend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hmm View Post
    Seeing you in the mask would make me more comfortable because I would not have to see your humanness. And if I can't see that you are human, then I can't go into an immediate trance along with you, as you said. You would simply become a performer or entertainer, which can provoke a trance but takes more time and is not guaranteed.
    Sure, there is the entertainment trance, such as we enter when we watch TV.

    And there is the ecstatic trance, which we enter when we leave ourselves.

    But when we leave ourselves, we are leaving our quotidian self - we are leaving our everyday self.

    And the self we find in the ecstatic trance might be called, (dare I say), the Sunday self.

    Ecstasy is reserved for Sunday.

    Once we sought ecstasy in Church on Sunday but now we are homeless and must take ecstasy onto the streets.

    And what a surprise it is to open the tabernacle in the Mall on a quotidian Tuesday.

    What can they do but stand and stare?

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