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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    That sounds quite nice but I think that truth is truth.

    Most of people who do not want to hear it also don't want to think about this kinds of things. But ones that do already know what I am saying (mostly) and they agree since it is logical.

    But what I am trying to show is that we can talk or we can avoid it but things exist if we talk or if we don't talk about them.
    but see...i believe my truth is true rather you believe it or not as well.
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    This will be too much for him to see because he is making the assumption that truth is logical (However, almost anything can be valudated using the rather clever and silver tongued rules of logical thought) and that and sprituality is illogical hence cannot be based on any truth...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wild horses View Post
    is all truth logical?? Is logical just another word for truth.. or can alomst anything be proven using the laws of logical thought?
    To answer this one I would need to write a book and I am not making a overstaitment.

    The thing is that this is philosophical conversation but my position is not philosophical since my interest is hard science and I can't explain my position if I don't explain why spirituality and its conclusions do not make sense when used and projected upon reality.


    Let's turn the game other way around.
    In what person who is spiritual believes?

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    why spirituality and its conclusions do not make sense when used and projected upon reality.
    I think that this statement is one of your most powerful and in fact answers most of the questions ou have posed to those who have a sense of spirituality on this thread. Lots of things in fact do not make sense when taken out of their context and projected into another
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    perfectly stated wild!! and that's my view as well...you are trying to see something with an improper instrument...you can't see it because you are here...you are in a physical state with limitations.
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    Can I survive without it? Yeah, I do it every day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wild horses View Post
    I think that this statement is one of your most powerful and in fact answers most of the questions ou have posed to those who have a sense of spirituality on this thread. Lots of things in fact do not make sense when taken out of their context and projected into another
    Well, I am ready to argue that things that come in category spiritual don't make sanse in any context. I would be more then happy to defend my claims.

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    LOL Ok I will see u for a rematch tomorrow sweet dreams...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    To answer this one I would need to write a book and I am not making a overstaitment.

    The thing is that this is philosophical conversation but my position is not philosophical since my interest is hard science and I can't explain my position if I don't explain why spirituality and its conclusions do not make sense when used and projected upon reality.


    Let's turn the game other way around.
    In what person who is spiritual believes?

    What do you mean by this question? For me, a person who is spiritual can believe in anything a person who is not spiritual believes in. Spirituality to me is just a feeling, one that I experience in daily life. Like a non-spiritual person I may not practice any religion and I hold in high regard the scientific method. I think you need to make a clear distinction between what you mean by religious or spiritual and the person who is religious in the sense that they may believe in God as an all-powerful being or have ritualistic practices.

    I think I nice quote by Einstein expresses my personal feelings of being spiritual. This is from "The World As I See It":

    The fairest thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the fundamental emotion which stands at the cradle of true art and true science. He who knows it not and can no longer wonder, no longer feel amazement, is as good as dead, a snuffed-out candle.

    It was the experience of mystery--even if mixed with fear--that engendered religion. A knowledge of the existence of something we cannot penetrate, of the manifestations of the profoundest reason and the most radiant beauty, which are only accessible to our reason in their most elementary forms--it is this knowledge and this emotion that constitute the truly religious attitude; in this sense, and in this alone, I am a deeply religious man.

    I cannot conceive of a God who rewards and punishes his creatures, or has a will of the type of which we are conscious in ourselves. An individual who should survive his physical death is also beyond my comprehension, nor do I wish it otherwise; such notions are for the fears or absurd egoism of feeble souls. Enough for me the mystery of the eternity of life, and the inkling of the marvellous structure of reality, together with the single-hearted endeavour to comprehend a portion, be it never so tiny, of the reason that manifests itself in nature.

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    Wow! Albert said THAT?

    He was smarter than I thought he was. An integrated human.

    I think I'm in love. Maybe we'll meet in the Beyond.

    (Which, of course, really isn't the beyond at all. )
    "No ray of sunshine is ever lost, but the green which it awakes into existence needs time to sprout, and it is not always granted to the sower to see the harvest. All work that is worth anything is done in faith." - Albert Schweitzer

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