User Tag List

First 12

Results 11 to 15 of 15

Thread: Freemasonry

  1. #11
    Senior Member swordpath's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    MBTI
    ISTx
    Posts
    10,552

    Default

    If it weren't centered around religion, I'd probably be interested to join. Secretive clubs, ftw.

    I still want to try my luck at Bohemian Grove.

  2. #12
    Senior Member Hirsch63's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    MBTI
    IS??
    Socionics
    InFj
    Posts
    525

    Default

    I do not understand it as a religion at all. One of the requirements for membership is belief in a monotheistic god, a Universal Architect. It does not specify a particular deity. They are willing to forego a partricular dogma in order to achieve an effective organization.

    See: Born in Blood by Robinson.

    They are a largely fraternal order these days doing good works here in the states as the Masonic organizantion of Shriner's Hospitals. I have personally known people who were helped extensively by this charity. While it is certainly possible (as it is with any organized group of humans) that during it's history some masonic division acted in opposition to their declared beliefs, the work of the Shriner's goes a long way to amending any wrongs.

    And Victor is right, their membership dwindles, and with it the ability of the Shriners to move ahead with their mission to aid suffering children, free of charge. They are seen as sometimes ridiculous old men in Fez hats parading during holidays...leftovers from a bygone era of community that relied more on personal, local affiliations more than Hollywood dictated images of what "looks" good. I do think that the latest National treasure films with "Nick Cage" are thinly disguised efforts to revive interest in this declining yet still very useful service group.

    In short it is a group with a long colorful, history. A group engaged at one level in the most noble of causes; healing afflicted children. A group in need of fresh, intelligent members with ambition...a group that could use the apparent talents of a young man like Pure Mercury.
    Patriotism is the last refuge to which a scoundrel clings...Steal a little and they throw you in jail, steal a lot and they make you a king

  3. #13
    & Badger, Ratty and Toad Mole's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Posts
    18,524

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Hirsch63 View Post
    I do not understand it as a religion at all. One of the requirements for membership is belief in a monotheistic god, a Universal Architect. It does not specify a particular deity. They are willing to forego a partricular dogma in order to achieve an effective organization.

    See: Born in Blood by Robinson.

    They are a largely fraternal order these days doing good works here in the states as the Masonic organizantion of Shriner's Hospitals. I have personally known people who were helped extensively by this charity. While it is certainly possible (as it is with any organized group of humans) that during it's history some masonic division acted in opposition to their declared beliefs, the work of the Shriner's goes a long way to amending any wrongs.

    And Victor is right, their membership dwindles, and with it the ability of the Shriners to move ahead with their mission to aid suffering children, free of charge. They are seen as sometimes ridiculous old men in Fez hats parading during holidays...leftovers from a bygone era of community that relied more on personal, local affiliations more than Hollywood dictated images of what "looks" good. I do think that the latest National treasure films with "Nick Cage" are thinly disguised efforts to revive interest in this declining yet still very useful service group.

    In short it is a group with a long colorful, history. A group engaged at one level in the most noble of causes; healing afflicted children. A group in need of fresh, intelligent members with ambition...a group that could use the apparent talents of a young man like Pure Mercury.
    Here it is not just the Masonic Lodges but religion at large that is declining.

    And it is declining markedly - church attendance is down by very large amounts.

    And I think the Masons are affected in the same way. Only they are very small to start off with. So the general decline means extinction for them.

    The religions here don't understand what is happening to them anymore than the Incas knew what was happening to them; or anymore than the Japanese knew what would happen to them. And so on through all nations that have met the West.

    But all these peoples have one thing in common - they believed their own propaganda.

    The Inca chief believed he was the son of the Sun and was terribly surprised that he was defeated by 100 Spaniards in an afternoon, even though the Inca had 80,000 armed troops immediately to hand.

    And the Japanese believed the Emperor was descended from the Sun God until we showed them the sun one afternoon in Hiroshima.

    There is only one sin propagandists can commit and that is to believe their own propaganda. And this is a temptation almost impossible to resist.

    And certainly the cult of MBTI is unable to resist this temptation.

    So MBTI will go the way of the Incas and Imperial Japan.

  4. #14
    heart on fire
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Posts
    8,457

    Default

    Religion itself doesn't go away, it just goes by different names. When one is turned over, another develops to take its place and sure the rituals change and the beliefs change but it's the same sort of magical thought at it's core. Those who think religion will be someday be eraticated don't understand human nature.

  5. #15
    & Badger, Ratty and Toad Mole's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Posts
    18,524

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by heart View Post
    Religion itself doesn't go away, it just goes by different names. When one is turned over, another develops to take its place and sure the rituals change and the beliefs change but it's the same sort of magical thought at it's core. Those who think religion will be someday be eraticated don't understand human nature.
    Religions are begun by a charismatic individual. But eventually he passes away. And there is no alternative but to turn the religion into a bureaucracy.

    The thought of bureaucracies is called ideology, and the recruitment of bureaucracies is called propaganda.

    And the temptation is always to believe your own propaganda.

    This puts you a disadvantage in dealing with reality. As was found by the Incas and Imperial Japan.

    You can see this process clearly with MBTI.

    The father of MBTI is a charismatic individual called Carl Jung. When he passed away, his thought was bureaucratised by Mrs Briggs and her daughter, Mrs Myers into MBTI.

    Good heavens, it is an acronym - just like any good bureaucratic acronym today.

    And the bureaucracy recruits through its propaganda.

    And like all good girls and boys, we believe our own propaganda and so lose touch with reality.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO