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    Default Moral relativism.

    Moral relativism gets a bad rep, but let's take a look on what it actually means:

    In philosophy moral relativism is the position that moral or ethical propositions do not reflect objective and/or universal moral truths, but instead make claims relative to social, cultural, historical or personal circumstances.


    Now this stance is perfectly logical and reflects the reality of morals and ethics, because morals are in fact relative to social, cultural, historical and personal circumstances.

    Unless you believe in God given morals and ethical standards, I don't see a strong argument in favor of the natural rights theory. Some proponents of the theory state that human nature is proof of the existence of these rights, and they seem to confuse what they think ought to be with what actually exists. This is known as the Is-ought problem.

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    Yeah, anything with "relativism" in its title gets a bad rep. I tend to agree with the idea, though, even if I haven't explored it in great depth. It seems intuitively true to me.
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    Objectively it's relative, but realistically, we are a species with certain biological limitations and patterns of behavior, and as such, there are going to be universal codes which are beneficial when followed, such as the incest taboo and laws against murder. But I still voted relativism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    Yeah, anything with "relativism" in its title gets a bad rep. I tend to agree with the idea, though, even if I haven't explored it in great depth. It seems intuitively true to me.
    Yeah, I think when people hear the term, they tend to think the moral relativist is someone who has no morals, just because they think they're relative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Yeah, I think when people hear the term, they tend to think the moral relativist someone has no morals, just because they think they're relative.
    Yes, and similarly when someone declares religious agnosticism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymous View Post
    Objectively it's relative, but realistically, we are a species with certain biological limitations and patterns of behavior, and as such, there are going to be universal codes which are beneficial when followed, such as the incest taboo and laws against murder. But I still voted relativism.
    And patterns and trends are just that... patterns and trends.

    Sure there are some nice codes that would do society good to live by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajblaise View Post
    Moral relativism gets a bad rep, but let's take a look on what it actually means:

    In philosophy moral relativism is the position that moral or ethical propositions do not reflect objective and/or universal moral truths, but instead make claims relative to social, cultural, historical or personal circumstances.


    Now this stance is perfectly logical and reflects the reality of morals and ethics, because morals are in fact relative to social, cultural, historical and personal circumstances.

    Unless you believe in God given morals and ethical standards, I don't see a strong argument in favor of the natural rights theory. Some proponents of the theory state that human nature is proof of the existence of these rights, and they seem to confuse what they think ought to be with what actually exists. This is known as the Is-ought problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueWing View Post
    How does belief in God render an argument in favor of moral absolutism tenable?
    Because we can't disprove the existence of their God, and their theory of moral absolutism resides within their theory of the existence of God.

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    Every moral is reletive, but are there any underlyning moral constants that should be universally recognized in a non cult manner?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatGirl View Post
    Every moral is reletive, but are there any underlyning moral constants that should be universally recognized in a non cult manner?
    I think, as someone mentioned, the only code of behavior that's universally taboo-ed is mother-son incest. Learned that in cultural anthropology!

    Otherwise, I think what counts as "moral" changes drastically with time and culture.
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